-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2008-10-22 at 20:48 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 10/22/2008 08:07 PM:
As for "thousands" of syslog entries - that also means cron would be producing thousands of emails.
I don't mean that.
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The delivery doesn't have to be by mail - though it could with local delivery. I could be by a message sent to a window or a pop-up.
Certainly not! It would not work for headless machines or text only machines, or machines where the administrator is not logged it.
Indeed. Which is why SWATCH and other syslog watchers can pipe to various destinations - SMS, pager... whatever. It doesn't have to be a pop-up.
The point is to uncouple.
More to the point, use of syslog integrates better with enterprise-level tools that consolidate reporting. I've installed these in banks and telcos; all the syslog gets routed to a central server and a database where it can be sliced and diced and used to produce pretty graphs or management, trend analysis, incident tracking feeds to ITIL .... and much more.
BTDT :-) But openSUSE is not a big enterprise distro, it is a "user" distro.
Yes, I think piping syslog into Oracle is heavy stuff, but when you're a bank coordinating an IT staff in the hundreds and need management and tracking tools, this is the kind of thing that gets lapped up.
The issue here is that by not having strong coupling this becomes an option where the user can define where the results go.
But you see, if you "decouple" the requirement or dependency of an smtp server by services such as cron, I could not have my preferred method of having cron mail me. I don't object to your idea of having it all in the syslog: good for you. But I want it on mail, as it has been for years and years here, so the dependency has to stay, so that you can choose at config time. Request, if you like, a configuration option for cron output to be sent to syslog or to email, ok, fine; but the dependency can not be broken, because it would force us to have cron output your way. After all, it's just some megabytes more, at worst. But I fear that such a change would imply many changes to many scripts, so it will not be done - unless perhaps somebody designs and supply it as an alternative package(s) (see buildservice, community repos, etc).
I really hate all these dependencies that arise out of lack of consideration of alternatives. Then perhaps you should design a distro with those premises >:-) Why? I'm not in the business.
Then select another distro that does it your way :-)
You may have time to try out all the distros; some people are paid to do that. I'm not.
No, I searched around once, I choosed, and I stayed. If I really wanted something I could not find here, I would then see if I could make it myself or look around again for it. That's how things are. If I were paid to install Linux for a company with certain "special" requirements, then it would be my job to find and search for it; or I'd have searched beforehand, and charge for that knowledge; or I'd request the company to hire somebody with that knowledge. openSUSE folks are not paid, either, to tailor the distro to each one preferences! :-)
A simple code change uncouples a dependency. This thread started on with people complaining about a number of dependencies. SUSE has got rid of dependencies that other distributions have - why not keep up that good work. Not all dependencies - yours and others - are actually necessary.
SMTP currently is.
Unless we point this out and ask or it, its not going to happen.
Then ask for it officially, in Bugzilla.
Thank you. Where? (Remember, I'm new to SUSE)
For example: www.opensuse.org --> discover it --> Report a Bug ] Report a Bug ] ] With our open Bugzilla system, you have direct access to further the ] development of openSUSE. ] ] Submitting Bug Reports – Bug Reporting FAQ One of the options when filling a bug is to classify the "bug" as a feature request. Read the "Bug Reporting FAQ", feature request is mentioned. There is a feature wishlist page, too.
I say "I'm not in the business" and I mean that. I don't have the time to do the level of re-engineering for an "Anton's Distribution". But if the guys at Novell pay attention and decouple many more things like this we can all benefit.
I don't think that will happen. Fortunately (IMO)! >:-)
I'm a little alarmed by that kind of statement.
:-) You say you are new to suse; I'm not. I'm sure you know how other distros or Unixes behave better than me, but allow me to say I can guess better than you what suse people will feel about your idea (about smtp). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkj/2sQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XsSgCgllUklngWHuevKUmvbdguxaOA 0PQAnjYTX3LCGzA0Izr/MsvsqDZZ5P/Z =c12u -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----