-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.00.0810242115220.23001@nimrodel.valinor> On Friday, 2008-10-24 at 10:30 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
Carlos E. R. said the following on 10/24/2008 08:59 AM:
On Friday, 2008-10-24 at 08:10 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
If you want to make this a security issue then the whole thing of applications sending out alerts by mail is the security issue.
Why?
If the alerts aren't seen they can't be acted on.
By "security issue" I, and I guess Per, are talking about what possible dangers you see in letting apps sending alerts by email.
In a "user" setting where there isn't the IT support of larger business the GUI is the thing and as Microsoft has shown and I discuss more fully elsewhere in this thread an on-screen pop-up makes more sense.
I object to comparisons to M$.
Object all you want. They have some good stuff, have demonstrated some great ideas and principles and show success. My point here is that they have overcome the command line legacy and even the annoying "GPF" (or
Well, I object, I don't take M$ as guiding master, certainly not where Linux is concerned. I like command line. I prefer certain things not to rely on a GUI at all.
And I strongly object to having "alerts" popping up in my desktop. That's one of the reasons I dislike microsoft.
One of many. But the point is that if the alerts aren't seen they can't be acted on.
Oh, they are seen alright. If my job is to see them, I assure you I will see them ASAP. If I'm Joe User, I'll see them when I want to see them, not when the system wants me to see them. Let the system take care of itself and let me sleep!
I see that large number of netbooks are being returned, the ones running Linux being traded in for ones that run Windows. The average Joe consumer isn't as geeky as us and can't set up all that mail forwarding, ldap, nis all the rest. He's been brainwashed, rightly or wrongly, by Microsoft and for him a pop-up notifier is the right way.
Why would he have to configure ldap, nis and all the rest? Or mail forwarding? I haven't. And, as far as I'm concerned, if a user doesn't know how to set up Linux, he should not install Linux >:-P
Me, I want to run syslog and have swatch "page me" with a SMS message on my cell phone when something critical happens. That's me.
YMMV. But to deny the average user a facility just because *you* don't like Microsoft is, I think, a bit arrogant. Its the sort of elitist attitude that will marginalize Linux.
I don't deny him anything, but just don't try to convince me just because M$ does it that way, because them I will be convinced it is a bad thing and we should do the contrary. If you want to be warned by SMS, do so. Many do so with openSUSE the way it is now.
You have a point in that postfix or sendmail could be replaced with a smaller, local delivery only, smtp agent. However, ¿can you actually sugest such a package? Unless there is one, ready made, available and reliable, or you can convince some developper to develop it, I'm afraid the suggestion is useless.
Years ago I ran one up in Perl :-) I've seen a few since then ... lets google, eh?
No, I will not google :-P I'm not the person interested in that change. You propose it, you go ahead. ;-)
You can fill a enhancement request on Bugzilla. If you really want that feature, that's the only place Novell listens.
Help me here please with an address.
I did already on this thread. Just search for how to report bugs in the wiki.
But more to the point while I *can* configure Postfix, the installation process should configure the mail forwarder.
You do not need to configure it at all. The default configuration as installed by openSUSE only listens internally. In fact, maybe you do not need to have the service running.
If there was a local-only delivery agent, yes. But its not about "only listening locally", its about where its delivered.
Internal users of the system may use the mail service to send mail anywhere, yes. So? I don't see a problem. Worried they send spam? Then don't give them a computer at all, they could send spam by many other means, if they have access to the computer with an account.
To be meaningful, because its not a pop-up and because Joe AverageUser is running the GUI and not a command line shell, it needs to be forwarded to his email account. The installation/set-up should do that. Then when he reads his mail via Thunderbird, Gmail, Hotmail, whatever, there's his system messages. TaDah!
No, mail is not forwarded. It is stored on his local account. You can set any mail client to read that: some do so by default, some not.
Personally, I still think that Microsoft have demonstrated with their
I object to comparisons to M$.
See above. If you can't learn from them ...
Not in regard to Linux. We are different and I do not want to do things their way. I didn't migrate to Linux with a lot of personal effort just to dot hings the Microsoft way.
But to say its a "new thing" or even a "new fashion" is incorrect. I was managing routers and modems at an ISP using SNMP back in 1983/4.
It is the "new thing", because on the telcos I worked for, the machine did (does) not even have tcp/ip :-P So we used a kind of syslog, and ciscos and databases and analysis tools. That was my field. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkCJScACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Xm9wCfeZHGS1VJ4pG2G2aDxQcCs9v7 hBMAn3W73q+S5XVFdES1ZrQhCDfQLgeR =AV1U -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----