Well I finally broke down and bough 8.0 and got it to install. The next project was getting Liquid installed. I could not find a RPM at SuSE like I did for KDE2.2 and SuSE 7.2. So I hit kde-look.org and grabbed the tar ball. The ./configure make install seem to go well except it didn't show up in the control panel. Yes I did put /usr/local/kde/bin in the path (even though there isn't a /usr/local/kde/bin dir?) but no luck! So I have attempted to look every where google will take me but still no prize. Mosfet may be a great programmer but you think he could at least put in a README or something. If anyone else got this beast to work or knows of a RPM could you clue me in! Thanks, pben P.S. what happend to the mailing list archive at suse.com?