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On 09/05/2015 12:22 PM, Xen wrote:
On 09/05/2015 03:17 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/05/2015 07:36 AM, Xen wrote:
I don't know what else, but especially the alt-f2 thing is extremely slow to come down, in the first place. Why should such a dialog take more than no-time to drop down?.
Good question.
Why does it take time for you but no noticeable time for me?
I don't know that is my question I guess. I don't think it is a matter of differing perception here.
It is just a regular 4-year old laptop. 4GB ram. 2x1.87 GHz cpu. Nothing special, nothing weird, nothing bad. Old 1.8" SATA HDD.
Yes and I have it running on equipment that makes that look like a bleeding edge speed daemon!
as fast. Maybe it is a matter of perception, I don't know. But it is definitely not instant with the keypress. It can't be a disk issue because such things must be cached.
For you with your 4G, possibly, but on this 1G clunker I have, I doubt it :-) and the bulk of 'caching' is likely to be the virtual memory dirty queue retrieval.
Maybe you don't place just high demands, I don't know.
HA BLOODY HA HA. You're new here, you don't know me and my demands of equipment. if you did you'd know that I make a hobby of retrieving old equipment from the proverbial 'closet of Anxieties', other people's discards, and making them shine. Stuff that could, perhaps, have run W/XP in its day but nothing later of Microsoft, but runs current Linux to do the kinds of jobs that people are spending good money on for W/10 to do 'chromebook' level work, email, web i/f for Facebook, some word processing. Web applications. And all at acceptable performance. And yes, all with an eye-candy GUI. And I don't do this lightweight; I consider things like LVM "normal". OK, on some mobos I have to use a videocard cos the video on the mobo is broken. Big deal, its another item from the Closet and no more bleeding edge than the original. Ditto Ethernet cards. Many of these clunkers, like some I got from the School Board, even pre-date the Capacitor Plague!
I also have reference material (just coming from Windows a short while back). Well, I have been using a version of Linux most of the time during the last 8 months (when I had a computer) but the few weeks of Windows have left me with that indelible impression of slowness here.
Some of us Greybeards have decades on you. That not to belittle you; its just a fact. And a property of that is that we have acculturated in a way that many things we do "by reflex" and don't have to think about it, so have problems communicating the keystrokes. There's an article I reference occasionally http://www.zdnet.com/blog/murphy/why-many-mcses-wont-learn-linux/1137 The take-away is that there is a BIG culture gap. its a way of looking at things, a way of envisioning how things work, and ought to work. The questions you've asked, despite your clear enthusiasm and commitment, leave me with the opinion that you haven't fully made the transition, haven't fully 'let go' of the "other side" view of things. That's not a belittlement; I'm an immigrant where I live and I still suffer some culture-shocks. People say things in idioms I'm not familiar with. many accents still baffle me. I have different terms for things. But UNIX/Linux is a 30+ year culture for me. As I say, some things are so deeply embedded I'm not conscious of them. I edit in VI because my fingertips know it. Using this embedded editor in Thunderbird I have to stop and think about corrections, some of which are actually my fingers doing VI-like things.
The way pressing alt-F7 from a tty to get back the graphical screen, is instant. Absolutely instant. I have used the Windows win-R, type notepad, enter, for so many years. There is a big difference between what I am doing now. I am trying to do the same with KWrite, and it is at least 3x slower, meaning I have to pause before I go on. I'm not used to that, and nor do I think I can ever get used to that.
Have you compared start-up by different means? I've suggested alternatives to using the alt-f2. I admit I hardly ever use the alt-f2 since I have my system configured so my 'favourites' are more easily, readily available. How does the start-up of kwrite compare ... * from a command line in an kterminal * from gecko: Application -> utilities -> editor * from 'recently used' in the gecko menu * as a pinned 'favourite' in the gecko menu * as a pinned main item in the gecko menu * using the search bar in the gecko menu and finally, using KDE to create a sidebar panel with favourites in the way that David Rankin described. You'd either going to have to ask David or search the archives. Alternatively you could experiment.
Usually what happens is that you try to find alternatives like binding a key, but that is a nasty workaround that you ideally don't want to use.
Indeed, the only bound key I have is the one to bring the gecko menu up.
You like to be able to use any default system like you're used to.
My workflow in Windows was just instant instant instant. Things like Notepad and Putty.
Not CLI? Until you're at least comfortable with CLI as a way of doing things, you're not fully acclimatized. I'm not obsessive about this; I think some GUIs are wonderful for doing GUI things like reading email and browsing the web and editing mind-maps and doing spreadsheets and presentations. Menus are good 'short-cuts' and I can offload specifics into them. But expecting the delivered system to be smarter than you is drinking the proverbial Microsoft cool-aid. Microsoft is about learned dependency and learned disability. Their menu is a crutch and not an accelerator.
I can say alt-tab is also not instant here.
The you very definitely have something wrong. I have mine configured (thanks to 'systemsettings') to present a wall. There are also there keybindings to do 'next'/'prev' and some defaults for that. It depends how little you want to use the mouse. I'm getting the feeling you don't like to use the mouse.
Thumbnails I can't interpret visually ;-). What's the use even.
Why don't you use the tools to adjust size?
Most of the window switchers are quite useless. The small icons are much too small. The big icons are much too big.
Oh dear. You seem to be stuck using an icon package that has only fixed sizes. There are ones that are scalable. Why don't you try those.
And not all icons scale the same; for instance Opera and Quassel don't scale up, but Thunderbird and Console do.
Of course! Those come with scalable icons. This is Linux, not Windows. You get what the specific developer(s) decide. Some are not acculturated, some don't spend the time polishing their turd.
The grid is even more useless than the thumbnails. Cover and flip switch are nice but too 'verbal'. Too much movement/visual difference.
Opinion and acculturation. And besides, you can download more; I've mentioned this before. The wall uses BIG ICONS. (that's 'present windows)
The visual impression is that of an outline of a window being drawn including fill, and then that drawn outline being faded in. Title and buttons are having a fade-in here. The window is instant but the text and buttons are not, which is a visual effect of having to wait. It is not handled by KWin's "Fade" apparently.
What's your systemsetting -> Desktop Effects Configure Desktop Effects settings? (As in: stop talking in generalities and give specifics)
You know what I'd say to myself? Maybe you shouldn't be using a computer in the first place. Maybe you should stop using a computer for a while. Stay away from it for a while.
I've stayed away from Windows per Windows (except when an employer has given me a laptop with same to use Office/email and even then it might well have been Lotus Notes or something equally as weird) for 20+ years. I think I'd have real problems trying to use something like W/10.
If I'd then speak of designer incompentence, I'd say: you can't blame the developers for your life being a mess.
Or alternative blame yourself for dragging in and holding on to Windows concepts and expectations in a Linux world.
Then I wouldn't need to blame anyone anymore for my experiences.
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