Devs, Just dropping a note to say great job with both KDE Classic (3.5.10-51) and KDE 4.3.95 (44beta). KDE Classic is near flawless and KDE4 is much improved between 4.3.4 and 4.4 beta (from Factory). From a user prospective, it is obvious that a great amount of effort has been directed to both desktops and it is much appreciated. The striking difference in 44beta is the actual addition of kde4 tools (like the "Add Widget" drag&drop implementation, etc..) which for the first time look like what must have been envisioned when kde4 was conceived, but were not completed or ready for release until now. As more of the kde4 features are implemented, the 'vision' of what kde4 will be becomes clearer and why kde4 behaves in certain ways now makes more sense -- much of which has been indiscernible to date. There is some cool stuff here. There are a couple of regressions of note: (1) File 'Save/Save As' behavior for jpg files has regressed to jpeg. Following the bugzilla discussions, the plan was to have the 'save/save as' dialog default to saving a '.jpg' to prevent the conflict and incompatibility with the billions of existing .jpg files. 4.3.4 had corrected this. 4.3.95 has regressed to defaulting to .jpg. What's the story? (2) plasmoids for cpu & network monitors - still no way to set graph color (Anders, I know you told me how this works, but I cannot get it to work in 4.3.95 at all). (3) plasmoids for cpu & network monitors - graph lines disappear on widget resize and there is no way to get them back. Not monumental by any stretch, but they need to be fixed as 44beta moves forward. All in all, 4.3.95 is a good step forward for kde4 and the look and feel clearly show a great deal of work has been done on the desktop. It is a great daily driver and for anyone running 11.0+, the install is as simple as adding the following 3 repositories, opening yast software management and choosing 'Package -> Update All Packages -> Update if a newer version exists' and clicking 'Accept'. There were no new dependency issues with the update. repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.0/ repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.0_KDE4_Factory_Desktop/ repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Playground/openSUSE_11.0_KDE4_Factory_Desktop/ Also, for the work that has been done on KDE Classic (KDE 3.5.10), thank you Will and the rest! It really shows. KDE Classic is in such good shape that for older boxes that don't really run KDE4 well, having KDE 3.5.10 for the desktop is worth it's weight in gold. Further, with the newer decorations available for KDE3 (crystal, bespin, smooth, glow, system++ and the deKorator themes), the interface is not far from the kde4 look. I do have another issue with both kde's and compiz that appeared after yesterday's updates in addition to the fact there is not compiz-kde4 compatible with kde 4.3.X (the existing compiz-kde4 is for 4.0.4), but I'll include that in a separate post. Thanks for the hard work! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org