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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tor,
I have had two computers in service which never could finish the w95 installer ( back in the 3.11->w95 era ),
Huh, I guess there is always the exception to prove the rule.
The difference lies in wether people complain ( with facts to support them ) and have a solution to offer ( or suggest ), or if people bitch for bitchings sake with nothing more than hearsay to support them.
Well, in my case I was referring more to the hypothetical rather then the actual. If you noticed, on this list, many people dismissed dep's problems not because of they didn't have problems, but because "you shouldn't complain" or it might "hurt SuSE" or "everyone should upgrade anyway because it's the Right Thing to Do (tm)." I'm not trying to pretend I know what is *actually* good or bad with SuSE 8.0.
If people don't, they shouldn't use the product, much like if you don't study for their drivers license, they shouldn't be allowed to drive. Remember the fact that in the right situation at the right time, lack of knowledge of what you are using can have devastating consequenses.
True. I have a good friend who theorized this with me, and he is definately right. However, unless there is some law that says you must answer the test or whatever before you can operate the unit, it just ain't gonna happen. :-) The unwashed masses are not going to switch to Linux if they need to read a 100 pages of the dreaded big, dry, computer manual (whether the manual is big and dry doesn't matter, most people just assume they are and start feeling faint when they need to read them).
Also, think useability. If you don't read the manual, you won't know what you have.
I agree. I'm talking about the case for John Q. Public, not necessarily myself.
And as has been shown here, the setup software works in most cases. There are a few exceptions ( few == a small percentage of the total sold units ) where you can have:
I was responding to the point made by Patrick that it isn't necessarily better if RedHat supports a piece of hardware that SuSE does not. However, I've never found that to be the case, I'm just noting that if it was, that would NEVER be a good thing.
Here your'e wrong. The open beta is more likely to find incompatible hardware. That is one area where SuSE are helpless anyhow, since: [...] SuSE to fix it, it's the kernel team ( USB maintainer ) that would get the work, and he doesn't work for SuSE...
Actually, I'm not, because I've seen it work. I'm on the Cooker list over at MDK, and so I see the actual discussions between users and developers - especially during beta periods. There were numerous reports on things to fix in Harddrake (especially stuff like ALSA works better for that card, OSS-Lite works better for this card, etc.), that would not have happened until post-release if there had not been an open beta program. Additionally since the tools to create the "device signiture" Harddrake uses to detect stuff is included with the distro, you can send them the information they need to know what piece of hardware you are talking about very easily. So this is not speculation, this is a proven formula that works very well on hardware problems.
Yes it does. SuSE is changing all of their system ( rc, Yast1 dead, Yast2 the future, LSB compliance, automation etc ). SuSE 8.0 can be considered a transistion phase to get you aqquainted with the new system, so further changes won't catch you off guard in 8.1. If 8.0 would have been postponed six more months, and we would get all changes to be made at once, you'd get one big unhappy userbase.
Perhaps techies, ideally John Q. Public won't know anything changed, in which case most people - if that is truly the "reason" to get 8.0 - shouldn't upgrade.
Well, then 8.0 is neither. You said that your'e waiting for your 8.0 package ? Please try it before you comment on it. Otherwise your bitching is unfounded and without grounds.
Notice I was discussing, as I noted above, about whether it was fair to make the various points dep did. My testing (or lack there of) of 8.0 is not affected by this.
This makes no sense either. Sure I agree to no warantee if I open a SuSE package (or any other Linux distro). That doesn't mean I'm saying that "Since I have no warantee I promise not to complain if this thing doesn't work as advertised."
Did they work badly for you ?
Well only RedHat. If I had bought RedHat 7.2 (rather then d/l'ed it for testing), I would have been a very unhappy camper about my $70 purchase. It failed to setup my sound card and printer, and has a lot of major annoyances.
As I don't like repeating myself ( I get aggressive when I have to :) I
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