Suse 8.0 is deeply broken. I say this with sorrow, because I have worked hard to make it work; even with Keieth's hint's I cannnot get 802.11b to work on my test laptop. At leat I am lucky in that I keep an older laptop - a Toshiba Tecra 8000 with a Lucent Gold wavelan card - around to install "improved" software on before I risk it on my "professional" laptop (an HP 4150b running 7.3). Had I installed the 8.0 release on my "real" machine I'd be hosed - unable to send or receive email, etc. Looking at the pcmcia section in the fat Suse Linux 8.0 "reference manual" - page 339 - one sees the statement, following a vague paragraph, that "more detailed information about PCMCIA can be found in the reference manual". Gaak! This IS the reference manual - this self reference is perhaps the result of very hurried editing - and I think reflects the general quality of the release - namely, by date, with minimal quality control. I'm PISSED. I've spent about ten hours trying to get basic networking to work with 8.0. I even gave up on trying to "update" 7.3, and wiped the machine, doing a clean install of 8.0, and it STILL doesn't work, even with Keith's hints. Suse is going down the drain. I may have to switch to RedHat. I used to LIKE Ssue, and recommend it to friends! Not any more! -r-