On 16/04/17 10:06 AM, L A Walsh wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
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Um... Your ISP's IMAP and SMTP are not internal to Tbird... FWIW, I arrange my incoming email @ my ISP to come down in 1 IMAP folder polled every minute w/fetchmail.
I'm well aware of this, Linda, and I'm well aware of what you go on to describe. It's in the class of "Yes it used to be, but I changed all that". if it was just one or two accounts as it used to be, or if this was a situation where my ISP supports only POP, as was once the case, then yes. But part of the reason for not downloading, for using IMAP, for using an ISP that is willing to run spam-detection for me, is that I have a bandwidth cap. Many months, that's to buqqering around with upgrades and zypper-overloads I run over my cap and the penalty for excess with the local cable provider is ... nasty. So a motivation for using IMAP is not to download with fetchmail, not to process with Postfix and local SpamAssassin, not to run though Procmail. That in turn, and the fact that my domain supporting ISP allows for lots-and-lots of email accounts, makes it simpler to use one-account per list or subject. And yes, I have a number of "main, personal" accounts for different levels of contacts, yes I have an account for each technical list I'm on, yes I have a number of accounts for differing types of aka-ortho-nearly "business" like podcasts, conference invitations and such like. I can get my ISP to burden the input filtering and have Thunderbird do additional cleanup, the kind of thing that you might do with Procmail, sorting and tagging and prioritizing. But only by envelope. I don't download the message. IMAP is nice.
[...] I actually tried procmail, but it wasn't stable enough yet, so I went to perl (perl4 at the time) to write a filter -- it distributes the email into one of 50-70 active folders that are served to me via "Dovecot".
I've got about 20 "accounts" and probably two or three times that number of folders. The extra folders are handled by Thunderbird and its filters. I do run Dovecot, but its there to serve up the "archives". Many of the Thunderbird filters move critical to folders there rather than under the ISP/IMAP hierarchy. For example, all the accounts have Thunderbird saving "sent" and "archive" locqally so as to reduce network loasd. As I say, exceeding the cap is EXPENSBIVE.
I'm aware that some people read their email via a spam filter proxy. My ISP runs a spam processor - I think it is SpamAssassin from the way the GUI lets me configure settings - and it does an excellent job. I suspect that there might be a SMTP proxy as well. That's nice, but why should I pay for that just to insert a "reply-to" header on one of the MANY accounts that I use? Not least of all when Thunderbird is doing it anyway.
----- Once email is queued on and sent from your machine, you don't need to pay for an SMTP proxy from your ISP -- you run your own on your own home network. I try to avoid paying others for computer services I should be able to run myself on a linux-based home PC. I run spamassassin as part of the incoming filtering process.
As I said "Yes it used to be, but I changed all that". I pay my ISP and my ISP runs these services.
I'm aware that I *could* run a SMTP proxy such as Postfix on my own machine and have that set up as the mail proxy for Thunderbird for this one account. It seems a lot of effort though. It is also not a solution for my phone/tablet.
---- Yeah... I don't have one of those. Just my home systems, so I don't have to worry about such for now. When I was working at an employer site, I'd setup a VPN into my home network and still read my email from my home server -- even work email, since I had already had the sorting infrastructure setup there.
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