Okay, I don't know about the "average" Windows user you're used to dealing with, but I wouldn't trust the average Windows user that I know to install any OS. Period. Heck, most of the people I work with (Help Desk) I wouldn't trust to install an OS. The "First" link in the chain for most Windows users is the person that sold them the PC, or the little instruction sheet they got to tell them where to connect the power cable. The "First" link in the chain for a Windows user that wants to move to Linux is knowledge. And if they have the knowledge that leads to a decision to switch OSs, then they have everything they need. (Sure, it might take a lot of time. But they already have the prerequisite thirst for understanding to accomplish the task.) Yes, I think that the Linux community should develop easier install routines (although I think there are more important aspects of Linux usability that need to be addressed). But to tell you the truth, it's gotten 110% better in a very short time. (Faster than Microsoft, or just about any other large software company that develops and sells operating systems, could've done the same thing) Even since I did my first install (RedHat 5.2) it's gotten better. I think that anyone developing an installer would be remiss if they didn't look at what their peers were doing. I'm not familiar with the drax and Lothar programs, but if they're Open Source, I'm sure that whomever is responsible for YaST2 has looked at those programs or others similar to them. It would be less than optimal and against the hacker ethic to recreate the wheel that someone else has already perfected. And I myself have faith that the SuSE team has looked at the available options and made what they feel is the best desicion for the distro. And to tell you the truth, I don't base my choice of distros on the installation routine anymore. I don't particularily enjoy installing operating systems anymore. Kind of a waste of time when you have one that works. From: "m thompso" <thompso_m2@hotmail.com> on 03/15/2000 11:44 AM To: ben@whack.org cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com (bcc: Matt Nelson/National/Hewitt Associates) Client: Subject: Re: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/ I agree that the SuSE kernel patches are wonderful, but that doesn't impress a Newbie if he can't get past the installation. The "average" Windoze user is not likely to drop their current Windoze OS if they can't get past the Linux installer. The installer is the "First" link in the chain. At a minimum, the installer should be either a "7" or "8" (on a scale of 1-10)! Microsoft has a nice installation, but their OS isn't that terrific. SuSE Linux is a nice OS, but the YaST2 installer isn't that terrific. The "enemy" is NOT other Linux distributions. For that reason, SuSE would be wise to incorporate drakx and Lothar into the next SuSE release. Matt
From: Ben Rosenberg <ben@whack.org> Reply-To: ben@whack.org CC: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] YAST2 rocks! /LenZ Rant/ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:16:28 -0600
Hello all,
I would second this..wait for 6.4. I use to think that Linux was a big waste of time before I discovered SuSE. I was a staunch freeBSD/Solaris advocate, but I have been running SuSE since 5.0 along with my freeBSD box and now my Sun U10. I do know this, if SuSE somehow magically went out of business and they were not producing a Linux distr. I would reformat this box and it would be a Solaris X86 box.
Give these guys a break, they do damn good work..it may not be on installers or anything as low on my list as this, but their kernel work and XFree work alone merits respect.
just my 0.02
BTW .. is icewm 1.02 gonna make it into 6.4 ;D
Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, m thompso wrote:
Correction: "MOST" of YaST2 rocks
I'm still disappointed that YaST2 does not allow me to install SuSE 6.3 to non-adjacent partitions. To install to non-adjacent partitions, I must still use YaST1. Mandrake 7.0-2 uses a top-notch graphical installer called drakx. SuSE would be wise to incorporate drakx into the next release of SuSE Linux.
<PERSONAL RANT> Well, since distributions nowadays only seem to be judged by it's installation utility, how should we set ourself apart by reusing
someone
else's tool? </PERSONAL RANT>
We have added a lot of features in YaST2 for SuSE Linux 6.4.
There will be a more flexible partitioning dialogue, which will also allow you to use ReiserFS partitions and multiple disks (no LVM yet, you still need to fall back to YaST1 for Logical Volumes). In addition to that, there is a more flexible package selection and the configuration of Sound cards, printers, Internet connection with Modem/ISDN and Network configuration.
-- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org SuSE Linux 6.3 (2.2.14) ICQ UIN:49268667 ------------------------------------------------------------ " Success is how high you bounce when you hit bottom " --Gen. George Patton
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