On 1/7/2014 2:23 PM, Larry Stotler wrote:
But that wasn't the point. My question was why do people fall over themselves for a machine that you can't upgrade the RAM, but people with machines with 512MB are told to upgrade or replace the machine because 13.1 requires 1GB RAM.
Don't get me wrong, Larry, I too have a collection of machines that really aren't suitable for running Opensuse and KDE. In short, there is a lot of bloat in KDE, and even Gnome. XFCE4 is better but even that is pretty demanding. The kernel itself is also much bigger. But you too lightly dismiss all the things we do differently today. Yes, we do run multi-tabbed browsers and we insist each of those be firewalled and jailed, and we insist they handle protocols that didn't exist 5 years ago and play youtube flawlessly. And we run multiple email accounts, notification agents for chat, and virtual machines, and occasionally fire up a game. I could go on, but you are kidding yourself it you think you aren't doing anything different today than you were in the past. Some of my clunkers will run OpenSuse, barely, some only without a graphical environment, such as you would use for a mail server or a dhcp server, and I could hang some more storage on them I spoze (except for those that are already maxed out). I can/and do run them headless for this, but I still have a power bill, and have to listen to the fans. And some of these functions I can do with a rasbperry pi, all within 512, with 6 gig of flash storage, powered off a usb port or wall charger. And they are cheap enough to do that in a separate box. I have no particular problem running debian. Its not got yast, but still, not a big deal. Grouse as you may about hardware obsolescence being forced by standard kernels and desktops. I'm with you. But it just seems odd to turn around and badmouth the Raspberry in the same post when it is the living proof you can still do many useful things in a small machine. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org