In previous SuSE installations, my joystick was always a Logitech Wingman Digital model, connected to the game port on my sound card or motherboard. Usually, it would be found by YaST, and I was able to calibrate it in X. But it never worked in games. If I tried to run a flight-sim, the game never saw the joystick, so I just gave up on games (since flight-sims are really the only ones that interested me). Oh well. More recently, I gave away the Logitech and bought a USB-connected Microsoft joystick. That one doesn't even seem to be detected. I get messages during boot that suggest that the USB base devices are detected and the USB drivers started, but no hint that anything connected is found. Since the joystick is my only USB equipment, I'm not sure what to make of the situation. Are other people successfully using USB-connected joysticks/game controllers in general, and maybe the Microsoft device in particular?? In SuSE 8.1? Should it matter if I am using KDE or GNOME or other, as my desktop? Docs that I've read have all spoken about joysticks as being covered under the umbrella of the sound system -- but that might be because they've historically beem connected via gameports that generally lived on sound cards. If the joystick is USB, does that still apply? /kevin