I was trying to debug an apache application and I NEED to see the output from odperl to stderr which goes straight to the error logs. I couldn't find the output anyway So I'm trying to stop and start apache and when I do, apache won't start because A) It says the socket is taken in systemd jaargon B) The logs are dlete... I deleted the damn logs on purpose but it was right, there was a mystory httpd process running after I killed the process. So I tried to killall hhttpd that just caused a regeneration systemctl stop httpd.service NOTHING - not even feedback Pull the F***ing plug Yeah that still works. I'm sure there is some ration reason and calming answer to why when I'm killing apache that systemd restarts it without my permision. and there has to be some other calming nice reason why even through systemctl, that it doesn't give any feedback or nor kill the httpd server. for me, I'm moving to Jupiter 1. It is safer there. Ruben -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org