On 05/03/2015 08:45 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 03/05/2015 15:27, Anton Aylward a écrit :
On 05/01/2015 09:09 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
It needs reporting upstream so real-world data is available to the developers, who obviously don't live in it I do note a couple of things that need to be taken into account before doing the Chicken Little dance.
1. Jdd did not say what version of BtrFS & utilities, or kernel this is.
this hit me just when I was packing for osc-15, so no time to give more info, I needed the computer to run FAST! :-( sorry :-( I sympathise with the idea that BtrFS, like KDE4, has been forced on users, but the reality is that unless this kind of push is made how else are users going to aggressively debug this in the field, as you quite rightly point out. There is a limit to what developers can do unaided. It is unfortunate that this technique also garners a bad reputation for the later, stable, functional releases. I completely agree with you? That said so harsh things should not happen on regular release :-(
thanks jdd
Anton, JDD, This entire premise is WRONG, and it IS THE REASON LINUX HAS NEVER BEEN A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS DESKTOP: <quote>
but the reality is that unless this kind of push is made how else are *users* going to aggressively debug this in the field...
</quote> WTF? You foist an experimental filesystem on unsuspecting *users* wanting them to *aggressively debug* with what might be their family photos, financial data, etc..?? Forgive me for expecting more from filesystem developers and distributions. When Linux is touted as an alternative for new users to try, then we have got to quit doing things like this. Anton, JDD, myself and others here, can look at whats going on with a FS and can be expected to help by reporting bugs, etc.. That's not what this cautionary tale is about. This is about the user that gets a copy of the openSuSE install and says, you know, I've heard good things about Linux, I think I'll pop this install in.... btrfs, xfs, reiserfs, ext3, ext4, etc.. mean nothing to the user and if he says, "hmm.., this btrfs is at the front of the list, it must be the most reliable, I'll try it"... Watch out.. I have never, in the 17 years I've worked with Linux, seen so many FS failures with data loss as I've seen in the past 12 months related to btrfs. My recommendation to both file here and upstream is exactly what need to be done to move development along, and if the folks on Factory are aware of these failures, then the installer should be adjusted or a warning added that btrfs is under development and should not be used for production installs. That's not chicken little, that just smart. It will get there I'm sure, but until it does, and at least until the issues with snapshot space exhaustion are fixed and *validated*, it should only be offered as an experimental FS. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org