* Anders Johansson (andjoh@rydsbo.net) [030601 16:41]: ->> Knowing a thing or two about the /ever present/ standard text processor ->> tools is usefull too, if only to give them a feel for the power of these ->> tools for future uses. -> ->For most regular users there are not now, nor will there ever be a time ->when sed, awk of vi is useful. This is why companies have admins. -> ->It is extremely detrimental to the "linux on the desktop" movement to ->include this type of material in "luser" classes. It scares people away. I'd have to agree with Anders on this point. When I was working at SuSE in Oakland the secretary used Linux on her workstation and rarely had an issue that I remember. She used Netscape, StarOffice and many other programs. I doubt she ever opened a terminal client the whole time she was working there. She got along fine with what she was given to work with. I can't speak about other secretaries in other companies because the other companies I've worked for had them using Windows. For the most part the IT people in the company should know all of these things so they can remote admin the machines...but secretaries, sales people, marketing people and the like shouldn't know anymore then the apps they need to do their jobs. If they are using terminal clients to input data like I've seen at the Toyota dealer I go to ..then teach them that application. But I wouldn't work at a place where these types of people had root or the ability to edit anything that would need vi or emacs. Hell, some of the developers I work with now scare me in this respect and they are suppose to *know* WTF they're doing. ;) Just 0.02 from someone who's done help desk, IT and Sys. Admining. ;) Cheers, -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction.