-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Xen Gesendet: Do. 28.04.2016 12:52 An: oS-en , Betreff: Re: [opensuse] KMail5 Dependencies *****SNIP******.
The whole point is really I think that Akonadi does not equal KDE.
You can use KDE just fine without it. No user of KDE should be forced to use that ****of crap*.
I understand your point. But you are not forced to use it. "akonatictl off" Done. You say: I want an email client that runs without akonadi. Then use TB. You say I want a standalone local email client that does not have a database and is stable. Well, who tells you that stable is also save these days with what the userspace offers. Obligations: Why do I have to install SAMBA if I have Wine installed. Why do I have always to blacklist avahi if I do not use it at all. The life is full of why. But samba you can uninstall but some libraries. And AVAHI you can blacklist it. And Akonadi? Well you CAN switch it off. Of course then you will not opt for software that REQUIRES it. This would be like buying an AUDI T8 instead of a Tesla and complain that it requires gasoline. You want electrical you buy Tesla. You want gas you buy Audi (or whatever). YOU choose, you are not forced. Of course your choice MAY influence the producer. But MAY is not MUST and your position MAY not be the one of the MAYORITY. Please note that the caps are intended as cursive not as "scream". Just for the netiquette. I do not know how to do cursive in plaintext as convention You may educate me if you do. So no aggressive intention. If ever you think that your position has people behind, ask to the KDE team to develop this or put together a team of pro's and enthusiasts for the new and wicked KDXENMAIL. :-)
I don't want to be married to a platform that is KDE only, that is going to store all of my personal data and emails in a faulty database that runs somewhere in /var/lib or whatever, or even in some user home directory subfolder that I don't know about.
So you choose a distribution without systemd, without akonadi, without zeroconf....how many users have really the power to control what is going on. How many are able to really understand permissions, apparmour, tomoyo, leave aside SLE settings. Did you try to understand the setting of PAM? I did. It is a DESPAIR. You may set somewhere DON'T do this. And there is written: depending on PAM settings this may be overwritten. And where do you find these PAM settings? And how many user know how to administer the system to that point??
A system that is not stable and not solid, not dependable and not resilient. And in no way failsafe.
Without polemic: so do not use software. To my knowledge there is currently nothing out there that resembles to what you claim. All software seems in constant flow, all with regressions and bugs.
I have always stayed away from "full solutions" that were not to my liking and it is one imortant reason I have never started using a Mac (other than the cost). Thunderbird is simple, a single package, easy to understand, stores it where you know it is, only weird thing is the naming of its profiles.
Acknowledged. So if Thunderbird is what you like and need. Where is the problem? Want KDE rocksolid without all modern things. Take Trinity. Want a Desktop that does not make you worry about the word choice and settings: take Gnome. Want to feel in "social company of the masses": Take MIR. So nobody forces your choice. But consider: if I want to buy a new laptop without paying the F***Kn "Marketleader" and without pre-installed "let us shoot you in the knee" software, i am quite forced.
(If you look at Netscape mail directories you will find it uses the exact same format as today's Thunderbird :p.
If you look at many devices they still use the very bad DOS FAT32 that was used so many years ago. :-o Now...is that an advantage? Not sure. NTFS: years old but...fast? Again YOU choose.
So for me once more, nothing much has improved in 10 years at least, much has regressed, and I'm happy to use IMAP but I find it hard to back up (remotely).
In a perfect world you use IMAP. Without all the bad guys out there. I do like my mail on my PC. That also is a choice. After all it seems we are quite "free to choose" with Linux, are we. And I have here a 12 year old PC (first generation 64 Bit Athlon Single core 939 Socket (for the young ones: look up in Wikipedia what was that socket Hint: the mainboard features a AGP/PCI-e hybrid slot. And yes, it runs well with Leap and TW still today. Bit slow but it does. Try this with other software! :-) Well for me things are not so dramatic. Regards --- Mail & Cloud Made in Germany mit 3 GB Speicher! https://email.freenet.de/mail/Uebersicht?epid=e9900000450 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org