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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike McMullin wrote:
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 06:26 -0400, Matt Archer wrote:
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 18:42 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
Please, quote the "threat" and make the MessageID public, It was in the bug report, with a link to his actual post.
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-06/msg02231.html
There is only one way that post can be interpreted: If you don't switch to kde4 and file specific bug reports before release 11.1, we will force you to switch by deleting kde3 from the distro.
The bug report was proper. Its under the proper distro (11.1) for the proper package (kde3) in the only "Type" category that applies. So then it's back to gnome for a bunch of us. I'll change distros before changing to that dumbed-down GNOME desktop.
Not to get into a flame war, but I have no problems with GNOME as a desktop, and used it exclusively during one of the 10.? releases as KDE made my system grind to a halt. I would prefer a stable well functioning KDE because there are others that use this system and they're lost outside of KDE, but if I have to do GNOME for a bit, or just not upgrade to 11.1, then so be it. This is not Windows, and I do have a choice as I do the system setup/maintenance. Switching to another Distro is a possibility, but I like YaST too much to quit SuSE for a less functional administrator interface.
I have been following the comments about KDE3, KDE4 and (now) GNOME with mixed feelings. One of the strengths of Linux is the rich range of desktop options. I currently have not used KDE as a desktop for quite some time and rarely directly use Gnome. As long as I can use my desktop of choice without problems I will be content. I do have a concern that there does seem to be attempt among some to enforce their agenda on others by restricting choices rather than providing something functional which can people can be persuaded to use. An observation I will make is there is strong drift towards form rather than substance on the desktop in the KDE world. While the adoption of the GUI was a major improvement in the UI unfortunately the underlying nature of the dialogue between human and computer has not much changed in 25 years. There are still applications which give responses which may make sense to the developer and with luck the experienced user but leave many who just use the machine to do their real job befuddled and bemused. It might be 'cool' to dress such messages in fancy graphics windows but it still does not help if you are delivering the same confusing messages. This is not really addressing the fundamental issue of providing technology which helps people to do the things they need to do in a way that they understand or can use. What is worse with with many of the 'improved' GUIs the kind of information that an experienced user may want access to is often obscured, so neither group is really being properly serviced. All the fancy graphics is probably doing is papering over the cracks. At the moment I am beginning the process of planning an upgrade to 11.0 with just those bits of KDE and Gnome that I need for the apps that I do use on my preferred desktop (which could be interesting as in the old Chinese Curse :-) ) - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIYRvOasN0sSnLmgIRAmYIAKDHI6PUnhOrdgR/F6ra1PZsdzWLXgCeL5Zy gvqsIu9RECxWo2wqyhOTx48= =1/DG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org