On 3/29/06, Allen <slackwarewolf@comcast.net> wrote:
This was sent to me off list, I have no idea why.
Sorry for that. I have forwarded the orginal post to the list On Wednesday 29 March 2006 6:08 am, you wrote:
On 3/28/06, Allen <slackwarewolf@comcast.net> wrote:
That's the scarey part.
Now you are getting the implications of Novell's new SUSE strategy.
After all these years? WTF are you talking about? I wasn't eh one saying
KDE was gone or not useable anymore....
Foul langauge ambly emphazies your shaky position. It is you who has now chanced upon the supriority of Gnome, thus relegating KDE to the second position.
Can you learn how to actually quote? Dam I'm readin half my text with yours. What the HELL are you talking about foul lanaguage and a shaky what?
May be. But your priorities are changing. That is what the SUSEites
are
worried about.
Mine are changing? Don't think so.
SUSE users will be really glad if it is actually so.
Where in the hell are you getting this from? Novell never said they were
getting rid of KDE or any other desktop manager, so how would you NOT click on Gnome and hit enter?
See that, it's the mangled left overs of a quote.... We sure got a smart one here.
Your point - Gnome as default desktop is not a big issue. My point (and many others', as you too pointed out earlier) - KDE - as default desktop
is
not a big issue. Since we don't differ much, why tinker around with SUSE for no valid reason?
What the hell are you talking about tinkering? The WHOLE thing was about SUSE using Gnome by default, I pint out that was a load and not happening, and you... Are an idiot.
Your language and tone of this post as well the previous ones are proof of your attitude towards the genuine concerns of all SUSE users regrading the directions that Novell has presently charted for SUSE. I will overlook all this. Since I have accidentally sent this post to you, and have since then posted in the list, let others also see. Meanwhile let us not make it a slinging match between two of us. This discussion is started by a SUSE user looking for alternatives, because he is not sure of the future of SUSE. He thinks that SUSE Pro is going to die and we will be left with another Fedora like entity in OpenSUSE. There is no hard evidence that this is going to happen. Or is it there? But let us study the signs of times: 1. Novell is loosing money. This, in spite of having *the best* Linux distro to sell. Their nearest competitor is making money and holding on to 80% of the market with one of the most lousiest distros. 2. SUSE co-founders and lead developers are leaving Novell in hordes. One of them left yesterday. Some of them have criticized Novell for mishandling SUSE. 3. Novel decides to make Gnome the default desktop. They say it only for the Enterprise version. Not for SUSE Pro. This astonishes us. Something that is good for your Enterprise version, but not good enough for Pro? We always thought SUSE Pro and SLES were the same product with different support bundles. Now they will have different philosophies too. 4. Novell claims that making Gnome default is not a big issue as it is made out. KDE will also be there. You can always have KDE if you want by just one click (or a few clicks, whatever it is). Sure it is so. But why change at all? Give us 10 good reasons for making Gnome the default desktop on SLES. 5. Novell, when they decided to make money with Linux acquired a) SUSE and b) Ximian. Ximian people are also lead Gnome developers (it is widely believed, correct me if I am wrong). SUSE has always been KDE centric – both pro and SLES. Therefore this recent shift in SLES default is believed to be the influence of Ximian developers. SUSE users have nothing against Gnome. Many actually use Gnome only. But when outsiders start making subtle changes to SUSE – starting with SLES, of course - we have to be wary. In future will SUSE be there at all? (This was the point made in the first post in this thread). Are you going change SUSE so that it will start resembling your main competitor (which we all dislike)? Etc, etc. Who is going to assure us this, now that most of the SUSE founders and lead developers have not with Novell any more? Our concerns are real, just as the that of SUSE user who had initiated this discussion. Let someone from Novell's SUSE division come out and address these concerns. Otherwise it will be SUSE users turn their back to Novell, like what SUSE founders and developers are doing today. Bye -- One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man. -- Elbert Hubbard