Last night, At the start of this evening, I was running the version of KDE that comes with Suse 8.1 (on the CDs), which I believe was KDE3.0.3. (Can someone verify that?) I was running the version of konqueror that comes with SuSE 8.1 (In addition, I had everything looking how I wanted it to look, but I digress.) I have been having problems with K3b burning properly and as I had the version that comes with the SuSE 8.1 CDs, I thought I should install a later version before trying to get it to work. I have read a lot that says the later versions are a lot nicer and fix a lot of bugs. I was aiming for version 0.10, with hopes that I could get version 0.11.1 working, but I knew that was a stretch. In the process, I found out that I hade to update KDE to KDE3.1, which I did. Only problem was, to do so meant ultimately I couldn't have kdebase3-SuSE. So I uninstalled it thinking that things wouldn't look how I wanted, but that was more of a minor annoyance, and relative to getting k3b version 0.10 installed, it seemed worth it to me. Well, immediately I saw problems: 1)k3b version 0.10 still wouldn't install--I don't remember why at this point, but that's I didn't really notice, because 2)konqueror was no longer working AT ALL So, I installed the updated kdebase3-konqueror.rpm from the suse.com website, and in the process installed the updated kdebase3-kdm, kde_base3-ksysguardd,kdebase3-nsplugin, as well as the four different kdeaddons3-xxxxxx. I also installed kdelibs3.rpm and a few other "base" KDE packages (and glib packages). I believe most if not all were for KDE3.1. Anyway, they were all straight from the SuSE 8.1 KDE pages. I figured this would cure the problem. No dice. In fact, after rebooting it seemed worse, because I wasn't seeing any of the SuSE stuff anymore (on my background, etc.) although that was to be expected. And konqueror still didn't work. So, I then re-updated back to the KDE3.0 versions straight off the CDs (including kdebase3-SuSE). Now, the problem has gotten even worse. I get a login prompt to my box, but I don't get the nice SuSE login from before and I never get into KDE at all. I have no idea what to post, but let me know and I'll do exactly as you ask (although it's going to be tough posting the exact messages as I am having to write you from a separate Windoze machine). Thanks, Tom --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!