On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:28 AM Stakanov <stakanov@disroot.org> wrote:
... As for me PIM function is important and these bugs also cause total overheat of the machine and emergency shutdown in some cases, I am meditating to go back to 15.1 in the hope to sit it out until a working version in 8 month or maybe to hop from 15.1 to 15.3 when it will be available.
I feel for you bro ;p. I know this game in the software industry. Seriously, the past OpenSuse releases always argued and snapped back at the complaining users and bug reporters that they'd only support like direct upgrades from previous suse release to the current, and nothing else. But here in the real world, does a system really only begin its life-cycle on the previous release. And what about the release before? Where did that system actually come from? If I am not totally making things up right now, there were plenty of bug reports that were showing a clean freshly set-up suse release N would not zypper distribupgrade to the release N+1 when it was supposed to. Can't even imagine your troubles when coming from N-1 to N then to N+1 and longer upgrade paths. I have been in deep waters myself a lot of times :(( What I was always lacking to comprehend was that people claimed to simply delete everything but the /home/ partition and start with a fresh OS, how crazy. Mebby Im just too unworthy and not fluent enough in Linucks to make any sense of this approach, and of course I know way too little, this least I know, to master these situations. I always try to learn. At least I pretend so. And I write these posts onto lists and bicker and fuss about. Then again, maybe the software industry always tries to invent endless new features or fix stuff that aint broken just yet. The truth is possibly a mixture in between. Maybe users are left alone in these pretty normal situations such as package upgrades, updates, architectural changes etc, and stuff is not tested thoroughly enough and not given careful consideration of what to do with a users system and what not to. Obviously these are not life and death situations I suppose and I hope, and the world doesn't end from us having problems with a new OpenSuse release, by far. I remember projects such as let's create Linux without /etc/ or without /var/ or even no /usr/ any more or whatever they were and still are and what all those attempts or maybe still ongoing projects are, dont take my word literally but you know all those places and permanent construction sites in all these operating systems and giant software projects. Not even speaking about systemd, wicked and other funny things :) So I do wonder how are the expert creators of Suse or Linux or other knowledgeable people never suffer from the same problems as the average or unworthy user (=me) out here from the bugs and shortcomings people report everywhere all the time? How do they do it and live a happy life without data loss, without need to re configure and re install a lot of their previously normally behaving environments and software tools, et c ? How is not everybody and their brothers not wasting plentiful time with all or any of this. Apparently it's just always "me" or a few out there, but never the people inventing, programming and creating the stuff themselves. Is nobody dogfooding? Or actually using the vanilla procuts, distributions and stuff off the shelf they are providing to everyone else? Wondering. The truth is probably, that they are way more knowledgeable than me, at least. Apparently you are not that knowledgeable that much either..... ;) Otherwise this product wouldn't be declared finished and gold and released and let loose upon the public. But then again, no software creation is ever really much finished and would never be really released after all. But I agree, I have too often experienced real havoc myself too with upgrades, and not just some high level applications on some desktop, but with very basic things. Good luck and keeping fingers crossed to sort out your problems. Don't give up! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org