Hello all again. I guess this means that for the most part, people are generally compelled to voice faults--not successes. This also means I must retract my statement that we need to post replies that contradict the Linux & Main article. But I'm not going to. To support those voices against version 8.0, I will say that it is far from perfect. But what is it that you guys want? An A.I. install? You just want to insert the DVD, come back in 30 minutes and log in? Not hardly! Even the beloved Microsoft OSes need user interaction to get them installed, setup, and working (which is kind of a long stretch to say "working"). The installation is going to have difficulties because every machine is different. I guarantee one could take RedHat, Mandrake, or any other distro and try to install it and get nothing but headaches. (I've done it) If you really want to talk about the installation, we can do that for a while on another thread, but remember to make sure you've at least read the manual before you tried to install it. Also, if this is a laptop install, you'd better make sure you've checked out several places online to verify issues with your specific machine. The real problem with most installs, is where people keep forgetting the machine is designed to MS specs and the hardware manufacturers produce drivers for them. The Linux community is generally left out of this loop and must produce their own drivers--many times w/o the aid of the manufacturer. For this reason, I'd say we should back off of the installation criticism where blasting it to bits is concerned. SuSE and many of the other distros have done an outstanding job making the installation easy enough that even non-tech-savvy people can install it. Next someone says what about corrupt software packages on the CDs or DVDs. Well, you could always download them yourself, install and configure them, package them back up, and burn to a CD/DVD to market your own distro of perfection. It isn't enough that you only paid upwards of $80 (US) for this complete OS with more features than the average person could ever use. I think you'd better back off of SuSE for this one too, especially since they have a 7 CD head start. Then someone says, "Why upgrade/switch to SuSE?" I'll tell you why--to support the next version, and it's successor, and so on. Lest you forget, we're not in this to fight RedHat versus SuSE, but rather a larger version of war. The right to choose. Microsoft dominates the desktop world and UNIX (generally a proprietary version) rules the servers. We're using Linux because we've seen it's virtues: stability, scale ability, ability to change, and less expensive. If we don't help the one's with a clear direction for Linux's future in the business world (where the real support money comes from) then we'd better not complain when we have trouble getting things to work. I did not mean for this to get this far out of hand, nor did I want to preach to everyone. I only wanted to get some people to post good things about our favorite toy. I, for one, am sick and tired of all the negative posts and garbage floating around about this version. Can we just ask our questions for help and give appropriate answers. And, if we're not too busy, we might mention a little bit of thanks to the SuSE staff for their hard work developing this great distro. Peace! Travis. -- Buy a dog. Name it "Life." Then you'll have one.