David C. Rankin composed on 2024-12-10 11:55 (UTC-0600):
-pj wrote:
Hi David, I do not have the answer for you but Tumbleweed is upgraded and *not* updated. Maybe this is not the correct way of thinking about the new packages being prepared for Tumbleweed though on my part. Please do let me know if possible.
I think we are talking about the same thing.
-pj is technically correct. In TW (and Slowroll), update and upgrade are technically & dangerously different. Writing up when dup is meant is hazardous to those seeking help, especially to those seeking help passively, as via search results from DDG, Google or elsewhere rather than mailing list or web forum, where responses can be timely vetted for viability and/or correctness. Running up on TW is asking for trouble. Thus, up for TW, without full qualification, should never be suggested even indirectly.
I'm talking about the new packages listed when I do a
zypper dup
or
zypper lu
(which usually shows what will be duped)
Now there may be some confusion if lu isn't showing all that would be duped, but since all repos are refreshed before lu runs, it doesn't look like there is any difference.
Am I missing something fundamental here?
From man zypper: [quote] Update Management Commands list-updates (lu) [options] List available updates. This command will list only installable updates, i.e. updates which have no dependency problems, or which do not change package vendor. This list is what the update command will propose to install. To list all packages for which newer version are available, use --all option. [/quote] Even the man page could seriously stand improvement. Please avoid technically incorrect language in this context. Problems reported in the forums often result from new TW users who believe update and upgrade are equivalent terms, and use the wrong one for trying to bring their systems fully up-to-date. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata