I posted the following yesterday...while un-subscribed... ------------------------- Throughout 10.2, and 10.3, up to a couple weeks ago, I had a flawless wireless (Intersil Prism 2.5) device in this Tpad, under fvwm and controlled manually by Kinternet. [not using ndiswrapper...it just WORKED.] Sometime after the last couple of online updates, kinternet is no longer in control, but rather the Knetworkmanager has invaded and taken over the house! Unfortunately, I discovered this problem at a very inconvenient moment in a meeting today... :-( I attempted to remove networkmanager, but the dependency list is rather huge and entwined. Instead, I have installed everything related to it, and will have to see tomorrow when back in the office if the wireless will connect. However, it seems the only way to obtain the manager gui is from the task bar in KDE. fvwm will not show any icon for it, nor complain if I launch it from CLI...it is somewhere in the ether, I guess. (even though I have the wireless config'd to be controlled "by user with kinternet" in yast, I am rudely told by NetworkManager that HE is in control. Even ROOT can not "ifdown eth3, without a rude msg to go away and don't bother networkmanager!) So my question, is why does it seem the wireless function has been handed over to a KDE-ONLY application????? (Perhaps I have overlooked something, but it sure was simple using Kinternet...) I hope it works in the morning!-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bottom line, it DID work today, and I was again able to connect the wireless card, but ONLY from KDE. The documentation is either missing or else very sparse. The app seems to have been written solely as a KDE task-bar app, and I can not figure a way to control it from any other desktop manager. Even if I "killall" the app, and reset the card to be controlled by Kinternet, it seems Yast re-launches Knetworkmanager, and blocks Kinternet from talking to the card. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks! Tom in NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org