Liam Proven wrote:
On 15/06/18 16:51, Felix Miata wrote:
I find using apt/deb yum/dnf incomprehensibly difficult compared to zypper. e.g.
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I think this boils down to personal preference and familiarity. When I switched away from SUSE, Zypper didn't exist yet. I am not yet at home with it.
Yes. zypper is a very powerful tool, I'm also still learning. I generally have little reason for the more advanced stuff. I see people mention some zypper option here on the list, and I think "wow, I had no idea".
But all my supplementary repos are set at priority 99. There's no real logical priority between them; apparently that is a user issue. I.e., do it yourself. IMHO that's bad.
There's probably not much to do about that - they are supplementary, how can the system know their priorities?
I get nagged a lot about whether I want to "upgrade" a package to a lower version number, because Zypper seems only to look at the 1st value after the decimal point. IMHO that's bad.
Yes, I agree. There is always a perfectly reasonable explanation, but from a pure user perspective, it's illogical.
I get asked a number of questions whenever I do a large upgrade -- is it OK to do these supplementary packages? Are you sure you want to continue *after* it's downloaded 500 packages over 15min. I get nagged about VirtualBox packages every single time. I don't want this stuff. I don't care. I want a "do it and don't ask again" option.
I get nagged about vendor changes. If it's newer, I want it to just install it. Don't ask me. Do it.
There are almost certainly options to tell zypper not to ask. I think the default chosen is the safe one - ask first.
I get told it won't install upgrades *because* of vendor changes. I don't care. Just do it. No I do *not* want to go and edit a config file; I expect a command to do that.
Hmm, isn't that typical of the Linux environment though? If I want to change something basic, I open a config file with vi. Some applications also have commands for the same, postfix for instance, but most haven't.
When I remove stuff, I get a screenful of errors about X will break Y, Y will break Z and Z will break X. That is cyclical: remove the lot. Don't hassle the user. Decide.
This isn't Leap we are talking about, I hope? If it's Tumbleweed, you asked for it. It is bleeding edge, BYOBA. (I made that up).
Zypper nags me more than any other packager I've used in a decade. I am sure there are ways around this, and I am sure there are people that want this, and I am sure there are good reasons. But, personally, I don't care. You have your orders: go do them. No questions.
Generally, on Leap, zypper does not ask me (m)any questions, other then "are you sure?"
DNF requires even less hand-holding. One command and the system is up to date. But if I tried 4 different XML editors, and I want to remove them all, in Synaptic I just tick them, say remove, and the job's done. I can't do that at all in DNF and in YAST each one must be a separate operation, probably each involving confirming the individual removal of 20 submodules.
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