SOMEHOW.... I got the /etc/suseppp/scripts/ip-up generic to generate this following message. ;-) I really dont think I could recreate that again <g> Ill look over your comments abd see if I can make any corrections once again I appreciate your help when I do an ifconfig it dosent show the ppp0? Im hoping this shines soem light on an otherwise horrible experience thanks again rob Nov 22 23:56:13 dizzy pppd[317]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 Nov 22 23:56:39 dizzy pppd[317]: Serial connection established. Nov 22 23:56:40 dizzy pppd[317]: Using interface ppp0 Nov 22 23:56:40 dizzy pppd[317]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem Nov 22 23:56:40 dizzy pppd[317]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <mru 1500> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x750c1169> <pcomp> <accomp>] Nov 22 23:56:43 dizzy pppd[317]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <mru 1500> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x750c1169> <pcomp> <accomp>] Nov 22 23:56:45 dizzy pppd[317]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xdd <asyncmap 0xa0000> <auth pap> <magic 0xee2bda76> <pcomp> <accomp> < 11 04 05 f4> < 13 0a 01 63 74 73 74 61 63 6b>] =========================== it goes through about a miniute of seasawing generating close to the same stuff then ==================================== Nov 22 23:56:48 dizzy pppd[317]: ppp not replacing existing default route to sl0[0.0.0.0] Nov 22 23:57:16 dizzy diald[113]: failed to set terminal attributes: Invalid argument Nov 22 23:57:17 dizzy diald[113]: failed to set terminal attributes: Invalid argument Nov 22 23:57:17 dizzy diald[113]: Running connect (pid = 327). Nov 22 23:57:18 dizzy chat[327]: Can't set terminal parameters: Invalid argument Nov 22 23:57:18 dizzy diald[113]: Connect script failed. Nov 22 23:57:18 dizzy chat[327]: Can't restore terminal parameters: Invalid argument Nov 22 23:57:19 dizzy diald[113]: Delaying 30 seconds before clear to dial. Nov 22 23:57:19 dizzy pppd[317]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Nov 22 23:57:19 dizzy pppd[317]: Modem hangup Nov 22 23:57:19 dizzy pppd[317]: Connection terminated. Nov 22 23:57:19 dizzy pppd[317]: Exit - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e