Thank you to all the list members, you are so considerate and helpful, a great experience that has become rare online and testifies to many great people cultivating kindness over years. Filip Brcic wrote:
KDE 4.0 is a complete rewrite of the KDE using Qt4 library. It introduces various improvements (go look techbase.kde.org), but it is still untested. I wouldn't be too hasty with tagging KDE4 as buggy software. I'd say that due to the complete rewrite of the API, KDE4 ought to have much less (serious) bugs than KDE<4. Great, thanks to all developers.
Will Stephenson wrote:
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 19:02:51 Philippe Landau wrote:
"Stephan Binner has announced the availability of KDE Four Live 0.7, an openSUSE-based live CD featuring the newly released KDE 4.0 RC1. One interesting point of the announcement is the author's frustration over the quality of KDE 4, expressing strong doubts about the suitability of KDE 4.0 final for production use" http://distrowatch.com/ Originally a version with limited usability was called alpha, I'll assume you are mixing usability with functionality. ? For me an app is usable when i can use it. If the front end is broken that can be hard for simple users.
if they now call it release candidate that says a lot. Is buggy software good for business ? <short version> You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Right :-) And serving the omelette raw needs labeling to avoid disappointments :-) Even if it can be healthy as you describe:
<long version> Sure, KDE 4.0 is less functional in some areas than KDE 3.5.8. We (the KDE developers as well as the SUSE KDE team) know it's not possible to port to Qt 4, rework all of the foundations of KDE 3, add new technologies, maintain the features and polish of KDE 3.5.8, and release in a reasonable period. It doesn't work out. Look at the last item in that list. If you fulfil every other item, by the time you release would be irrelevant. There are plenty of Free Software projects you can think of as examples of this, but no names, no pack drill. Right :-)
One of the signs of Free Software's success is that people now accept it on the same terms as any other product. They want it to be great, perfect and better in every way, and in time for Christmas. Unfortunately, it is not the same as other products. A large part of the process is getting people out there using it, finding the bugs and being inspired to actively join projects. In this way we gain the manpower needed to make our software great. Unfortunately, to do this you have to release. We've been putting out alphas and betas for several months now, and they have not attracted the mass uptake required to get KDE 4 over the threshold - despite many of the apps being usable. Will, that's not because it lacks the RC label. That's because it was so hard to use for simple users. I'm just one of many, i look forward to KDE4 with great anticipation since months but as long as reviewers report serious problems i refrain from testing it.
So, a project has to compromise. Some do it by releasing never (see above). Others are equally conservative, but choose to compromise on features and innovation. KDE chooses as a project to accept that KDE 4.0 != KDE 3.5.8 - it's better in many ways, worse in some [very visible] others. Most of us feel that this will see acceptance and create enough momentum to make KDE 4.1 and its successors exceed KDE 3 and establish the basis for the next 10* years of the Free Software desktop. Some don't, but that's ok, KDE is a friendly project and consists of many diverse points of view. Now that is great. Freedom of expression :-) Just the opposite of Ubuntu Canonical's New Age deception where everybody is subjugated to a (facilitated) consensus which imposes the group will (actually the will of the facilitator).
And we're seeing that this strategy works - the volume of downloads of RC1 is several times that of any of the earlier betas and IRC action is up a lot. Great. You see most open source projects i used are very reluctant to fix bugs. Ubuntu for example over years refused to fix a bug where you could not empty the trash when you had write protected items in it. Thunderbird and many others made me give up reporting because they too never fixed important bugs. I understood it as part of a corporate attitude (AOL, Microsoft etc. making more money with buggy and crippled software).
Is the KDE4 desktop also improving rapidly and would you recommend KDE4 RC1 to simple users already ?
The bottom line for the openSUSE user is that you won't be forced into accepting buggy software in the form of KDE 4.0. The next openSUSE release will include a later version, and experience shows that for all the rotten tomatoes 4.0 will get (as well as some praise hopefully) KDE 4 will improve extremely rapidly and the next openSUSE will reflect that. Everyone is welcome to try the packages from KDE:KDE4 in the buildservice and the liveCDs and help us make it great sooner, but if the compromise I described above is unacceptable for you, wait it out, watch and join us at 4.0.x or 4.1.
Oh, and this is my personal opinion, but I think others share it too.
Will
*Actually 11, we started this business on 14 Oct 1996, but 10 flowed better.
Thank you also KDE testers Ben Kevan, Frank Fiene, M9 and Hudibras. Kind regards Philippe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org