This is my last reply to this thread, because this is a bit ot.
Sorry to hear that - it's good for my debating skills. <g>
Well, of Course they want you to view the ads; the question is, is it stealing just because I do not do what they desire? SuSE is a company. Therefore they *want* you to by the CDs. Still you can download the iso image, if you go to the extra trouble. You do what is contrary to their main desire, but you can do it. It is not stealing. I can go to an extra length to 'clarify' my web browsing experience, because you didn't forbid it.
It is different once again though. SuSE purposely provides an option to download the CD's. I don't provide the option to remove that ads. There are two real types of laws and regulations - assumed and stated. It should be assumed that the pages "price tag" is the adverts.
My, if you conveyed these opinions on your website, I'll bet nobody would come ;-) You have no intention of considering anything but those very ugly defacements of the internet. Probably, most people don't filter ads. But! If they do (or when they do), then this is a sign to the ad-vendors that we don't need no steenkin' ads. Call it my vote.
What really nice sites exisit that are not (1) funded by ads, (2) funded by purchases, or (3) personal "hobby" sites? Slashdot? Ads. Freshmeat? Ads. Linux.com? Ads. Linuxapps.com? Ads. Granted there are the KDE.org's of the world, but I mentioned it in the blanket "organizational web sites" statement. Anyway, RMS's site ain't so bad.
You own your website. If you want to, you can request on your page that anybody using ad filtering software either disable it or leave. But I personally don't think that there is a stronger argument for it than that you own the copyright, so can stipulate such rules.
(1) Many would ignore it, or not read it. (2) It would be stating the obvious in an unfriendly way. When I go to the store, I hate seeing all of those "no shoplifting" signs - it looks unfriendly. Same goes for web site rules.
The savings in time of walking out of the store without paying is grossly overshadowed by the fact that you are shoplifting. Doing that is illegal. It is explicitly forbidden with laws and warnings on the wall. There are punishtments in store.
And yet you feel web designers day-jobs are done purely out of the goodness of our hearts? How'd you like it if I didn't pay for what ever your company produced? It wouldn't make ya happy would it?
Ah, so I can just turn off images completely, and then I'm not stealing?
I guess that would be good enough - at least you aren't enjoying all the web has to offer then. I'm just saying I could produce proprietary scripts, and for instance, the one I'm about to release could retail for $999-$2,000 per license. However, I'm choosing to GPL it because I can make money off of ads on my site. That way I benifit, support the open source community, and you benifit because it's free. It's a lot better than what Eudora or GoZilla! did, I'm not forcing you to view ads every time you use the software - just when you first download it. I keep making "friendly nemisises," perhaps you are another one. ;-) Have a great day. -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" ===================== -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/