I am unsubscribing again, but just wanted to say 2 or three things. I mean, I am happy to see that the OpenSUSE mailing list is at least a lot more busy than the Ubuntu one. OpenSUSE always seemed to have a much larger following strangely enough but maybe that is also because it more a community thing of a real community instead of one artificially created by a company. One the other hand -- well and I could also say that in the past of course OpenSUSE had a great community wiki that really felt like a collection of random people feeling welcome and doing their thing. However, participation is now a commodity. But anyway, back to topic. It troubles me to see that... Basic computer problems such as attaining an IP address or being able to log in, having graphical log in errors, ... I mean to say that if you cannot cover the basics in life, you will never get to the higher things. If you spend your every day hunting, you will never get to some writing, know what I'm saying? The recent debate apparently with dear Linda about rescue environments not being usable by the average person. If you cannot cover the basics then what good can come of the higher level functions? I wish the time would one day come for Linux where support requests were for applications or more advanced stuff. For how to modify the system... ...instead of getting it running ... When I use Windows I do not frequent Windows mailing lists or forums. The thing just works and keeps working most of the time. There are some forums were very mundane problems are voiced; I stay away from these forums. It would be the equivalent of constantly having to deal with people complaining their electricity doesn't work, just because you own a house. Of course Microsoft is trying to render itself extinct by forcing people in due time to pay monthly fees for everything. And I don't know much about Apple but it also sees fans leaving. Due to exorbitant prices in that case, but anyway. Microsoft is in fact in the process of making Linux (or a free, community-owned system) the only possibility. To think that it would suicide. But anyway. Even so it upsets me that the daily things people on Linux mailing lists deal with are so basic and mundane, troubleshooting the lowest cores of the system. Sorry to insult here but to me it is the equivalent of endless worry. Basic stuff should just work. I personally feel the same way I think Linda does. The problem space is getting bigger, not smaller. There are more things that can go wrong now, than in the past. I used OpenSUSE from about 2001 I believe and then later again from about 2009 for a while. I long for the days when stuff was simple and overseeable. When software had the equivalent feeling of the cartoons of the 80s: slow and sane. And now: everything a hyper panic. People these days cannot stand watching these cartoons. Of the 80s. Don't have the patience for it. Everything is so slow-paced we can't believe it. But it also means sanity. Peace and tranquility. I hope this for Linux. But I notice that the underbelly is rumbling and maybe we ate something wrong. That's all I wanted to say: I am a bit shocked by the kinds of troubleshooting that comes by. That's all. See you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org