Le 25/03/2016 09:41, Richard Brown a écrit :
Ooh a thread about development expediency and quality... I wonder how much hate I'm going to get for sharing my feelings on this topic :)
why should you :-)
On 25 March 2016 at 08:31, Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> wrote: <a lot of stuff about quality and development expediency>
You make some very interesting points which sound very reasonable, but I disagree with most of them
good start :-) I read all, but too long post are at risk not to be read (I gave up in front of Xen ones, sorry). You need system rollback regardless of how good the software
quality is. The real world demands it.
I mostly disagree on this conclusion. you said yourself you used rollback only once. Was it that urgent? was the damage so hard it couldn't be debugged in some minutes? I disabled entirely the snapshots on my btrfs root. The extra size needed by default install is incredible. With 50Gb I was blocked by this system, when I use only 11Gb on a very loaded Leap root. When I used them, none of my problems could be solved by them (didn't start better). In fact most if not all serious problem I have are caused by me and for this there is no roll back. AFAIK, none of my essential installs had major problem for years (I love openSUSE :-)), so why I still have 13.1 on my servers, never any need to reinstall :-). and there is a last reason. If ever one have to make a rollback after an update, what is his system good for? what is to be done with next update? I remember a recent advice "do not update to kernelXXX". But then what to do? no advice "now you can". when you have a problem after 3 years of uninterrupted service, it may be time to go to fresh system :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org