Hia SuSE peoples I would suggest BlackBox window manager as yet another WM on the SuSE Distro, this wm is stable, you can put it in where KDE, fvwm2, Afterstep goes and not where Enlightenment and others go. BlackBox has a new release 0.33.0 and now is down from 64K to 60K ;) and has been fixed up even futher.. One fix: was drop-down menus from such applications as netscape after moveing them from the orignal position it appered in. Get BlackBox from <A HREF="http://linux.wiw.org/blackbox"><A HREF="http://linux.wiw.org/blackbox</A">http://linux.wiw.org/blackbox</A</A>> Now if you need anyhelp with blackbox check out my help site(seriously) <A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar/linux.html"><A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar/linux.html</A">http://www.teleport.com/~hettar/linux.html</A</A>> You will find step-by-step instructions and some config files of mine (that I use) that you can modify for yourself if your totaly lost. I am on the Beta Test list (on the BB web page and in the sources) So if you have questions visit my home site and email me. Steven Udell hettar@teleport.com sudell@teleport.com <A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar"><A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~hettar</A">http://www.teleport.com/~hettar</A</A>> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e