splitting my previous email up into two threads, this is the second one... about annoyances with SuSE. my discussion was about my disliking of suse's automating everything - forcing YaST/SuSEconfig upon the user and centering everything around making pretty GUIs. yuck! i don't think i'll get around running debian again simply because suse's configuration stuff is getting on my balls. and another very annoying point is the SuSE vs. linux kernel approach. no, i don't want to always have to use SuSE's rpm package kernels instead of the kernel.org one simply because i like to patch kernels every now and then. SuSE voids warranty with another kernel and that's almost ridiculous. there exists a number of software products which require kernel patches, which SuSE either does not carry, or for which they have given alternate solutions - but if i spent 3 months learning one product and love it, i am not going to switch because it's not integrateable with SuSE's approach. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net -- de gustibus non est disputandum.