In past versions before 8.0 lprold was avaible for printing, that was what I have always used an it worked very good for me. Now in 8 its not there. I chose lprnew or whatever its called an it using ghostscript drivers for printing. That works fine for both of my HP4000 laser printers on the network. But i have this ricoh copy machine that doubles as a printer also, has a nic in the machine. In the past with lprold I have this script that ricoh wrote to setup printing on unix/linux machines. its very nifty script, asks for host name, queue name an the type of printer you have an it setups the entries in printcap file an also setups the spool directory in var/spool/lpd for you an it just works. But in 8.0 it want work an i can not get any other type of printer to setup to work for the machine. Anyone have an suggestions. thanks jack malone East Texas lighthouse for the blind dba Horizon Industries