Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-10 21:59, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 20:49:45 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 2023-03-10 17:01, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
And anyway, probing messagges are noise by definition, unless there is a "I can not probe at all", and this can be told to the user in the same dialog where I ask to open the scanner or probe for it. The messages about the progress of the probing are not to go into the warning log. [snip] The syslog definition is correct, the problem is the programs defining their debug messages as warnings.
I'm with Per here. There's no way a developer will see any messages on your systems, so either the messages are wrongly classified or configured in the application or they aren't debugging messages.
That's exactly what I am saying!
I think you might want to reread what you've been saying :-) Carlos: /var/log/warn is full of debugging messages Per/Dave: nothing in /var/log/warn will ever reach any developer, hence they are not debugging messages.
My normal action when I see a warning message is dispatch a bug,
Why on earth would you do that? Here are some warnings from one of our (openSUSE) mailservers: 2023-03-05T00:07:33.089097+00:00 anna postfix/qmgr[17957]: warning: mail for jessen.ch is using up 5838 of 20000 active queue entries 2023-03-11T08:23:34.455243+00:00 anna postfix/smtp[31360]: warning: TLS library problem: error:14094417:SSL routines:ssl3_read_bytes:sslv3 alert illegal parameter:ssl/record/rec_layer_s3.c:1544:SSL alert number 47: 2023-03-11T06:14:37.193691+00:00 anna postfix/smtp[8502]: warning: numeric domain name in resource data of MX record for jessen.ch: 2023-03-11T02:17:55.283468+00:00 anna postfix/smtp[31379]: warning: no MX host for jessen.ch has a valid address record 2023-03-11T01:29:42.339317+00:00 anna postfix/cleanup[23707]: warning: 5255D24040: message rejected: hopcount exceeded Those are for the _admin_, they are _warnings_ that something didn't work as expected. Any experienced admin will look at the above and disregard, a less experienced admin might start investigating. If - and only _if_ - there is a suspected and reproducable problem with postfix, would anyone write a bugreport.
I don't know about your MUA but in mine (Claws) if I have a problem sending a message I go to the menus: Tools/Network Log and have a look at exactly what was sent over the wire. If necessary i restart the program from the command-line and increase logging further. No need to go to any system logs and no problem if they're missing.
Well, there is a difference: my MUAs hand over the email to postfix for sending. This was a necessity long ago, because I used Alpine as MUA. Now it is a preference.
What has that got to do with mail.{info,err,notice} ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.4°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes