On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 16:32, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
KDE4 when released was a huge change from KDE3, moreso than any previous release out there. .
It definitely is, on many levels, a completely new way of looking at a desktop.
New bling (transparencies, rotating desktops etc) is easy to turn off... there's a default keyboard shortcut... Shift+Alt+F12.. or you can click on the check box in in the desktop settings and it's off.
So, is that a documented feature that shows up when you install first install KDE4? I never heard about it till now.
I don't know. I didn't have to look for it in the documentation. It's probably there... did you look? It wasn't necessary for me to dig through soem help file... the toggle for the bling was in a logical place in the setup and configuration window - the first place I go on any window manager on an OS I use... be it Windows, OSX, or some Linux/Unix window manager. I learned about the keyboard shortcut by looking at the Keyboard shortcuts in the configuration window...
Hmmm, I was singled out by being told this(not by you):
"you should stop trolling/whining on every thread with the slightest KDE4 mention"
Don't exactly see how I was doing other than expressing my FRUSTRATION with making KDE4 work properly.
That links back into the whole problem of someone asking about KDE4 features etc, and then getting repsonse that KDE is the world's worst thing ever, and that Linux will fail because of it or some such other silliness. So when someone pops up and starts grousing (out of frustration) about KDE, those of us trying to help and make it work etc kind of go.. "not again"... especially when it's the same 5 or 6 people who come in and do their best to sabotage the efforts to help. Sometimes it hard to weed out the trolls from the legit frustration... and soemtimes.. the frustration doesn't make any sense.. it feels like (in some cases) the person expressing their "frustration" didn't even try. They just saw soemthing different and freaked out... like the settings... it's all (almost) all in the Desktop Settings. it's not hiddena way anywhere... a few clicks and you'd (generally speaking, bot you specifically) probably discover what you're looking for... but so many just don't bother.
That's an understatement. It was a disaster. openSUSE did a better job than Fedora to say the least. We were at least given the option for KDE3 in 11.0 & 11.1(although there was discussion about removing
Yup, and I didn't start using KDE4 full time until the end of the 11.1 release cycle. I also stuck with KDE3.5 unti KDE4 was working well enough (ie with openSUSE 11.2) that it didn't do stupid things to my desktop... something that happened a lot in 4.0 and 4.1.
What's tiresome is having to sit down and create a lengthly list of what's missing. I would have expected the KDE devs to know WHAT they were removing. While I applaud Dotan and others who have done so, it's way beyond what I personally am willing to deal with due to lack of time and everything else
True, but others are actually taking up that cause and doing the collecting and bug reporting for you/us. As it stands KDE3.5 is still available, but... it is a dead end so to speak. It will live for as long as there is a community big enough to push it through the build service.. but at some point that will stop working (and no longer be a viable window manager) as the rest of the community moves on. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org