On Sunday 30 March 2008 11:30:51 Sam Clemens wrote:
Stan Goodman wrote:
On Sunday 30 March 2008 01:34:13 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/03/30 01:07 (GMT+0300) Stan Goodman apparently typed:
It is really difficult to operate without the Panel that has vanished, because it contains the virtual desktops. If I could destroy the thing and make a new one, and could emplace the applets on it as they were, life would be much easier. Can that be done?
You can simulate creating a new user by deleting various dirs in $HOME. First, while logged out, I'd try
mv .kde/share/config/kickerrc .kde/share/config/kickerrc-old
then logging in to see if it doesn't give it back. If that didn't help, I'd see if
mv .kde .kde-bak
would do it. That will cause most or all you KDE settings to be forgotten, but for me putting them all back usually only takes me a couple of minutes. ./config & .kderc are other possibilities.
It's a thought.
Another thought is that something like this that has happened once can always happen again, and perhaps I should think about junking KDE altogether, and try Gnome. A small survey of administrators of enterprise Linux systems has told me that KDE is considered flakey (which I am now prepared to believe). Also someone posted here yesterday the observation that he has also seen disappearances like this happen (I have to say that I have never seen such a thing in any of the other OSes either I or my neighbors have operated). Who knows? Maybe Gnome is more stable; it is certainly worth a try.
This reminds me of 1985 or so... At my university..all of the electrical engineering undergrads had their accounts on two machines... ec and ed, each of which was a dual-VAX-11, 1 MHz, with about 1 MB of memory.
When I was at university in the EE faculty, "computer" was a synonym for "ENIAC". -----snip-----
With Gnome and KDE, a similar comparison can be made.
Yes, KDE is not quite as stable as Gnome...but the productivity in KDE is so much higher that it more than makes up for the occasional productivity losses when it goes screwy.
How can I go about removing KDE and starting Gnome, while causing minimum disturbance to the installed application software?
You don't have to remove KDE....in fact, that would be silly, because then you are denying yourself (or anyone else) the ability to run any of the many fine KDE apps (most of which are superior to the Gnome equivalent ... not all, but the overwhelming majority).
Also, if you don't login as a KDE session, then the faulty code isn't running...so it has no influence.
Just choose "Gnome" at the login screen.
Thanks for this. But at the moment, the problem is the Panel that has gone away, and evidently nobody knows how to bring it back. Or to delete it and create a new one like the original. If I can't bring it back, at least the virtual desktops and the chameleon, the utility of KDE is very small. An unstable desktop, lacking the panel and combined with a philosophy that real documentation is for sissies, is not really what I had in mind.
But....believe me... if you enjoy having a customized environment that does what YOU want to do, rather than what the developers decided you should have and not have an ability to do...you'll be back to KDE within a few days.
What I want to do is severely limited by the absence of the panel. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org