Well bu=it the bullet and updated my 11.3 install to KDE 4.5 from the repo and yes it works the PIM still sucks compared with the old version in kde3.5 (dont bite me freakin head of just a comment) BUT the icons in this 4.5 are to put it mildly prety rubbish white things almost just out lines i did read something a while ago about that but cant find it now what is the trick to get things back to the settings i had on 4.4.4 Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 12:48 up 22:34, 3 users, load average: 0.23, 0.13, 0.22 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org