Felix Miata said the following on 05/18/2013 02:28 AM:
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I mostly do only minimal installs, to minimize noise from never to be used apps, minimize bandwidth consumption and time consumption at installation and update times, and minimize space required for a usable installation so as to fit a larger diversity of installations in a given total available space. With minimal selection available, need for a typed search to find an app is non-existent, and non-appreciated. Typed searches I do in individual application search boxes, web page search boxes, OFMs, and YaST, not in DE menuing systems.
The few favorite apps are either kept open continuously, or fit on a small panel space, like in Windows 9x.
Nothing wrong with that; you're describing a sort-of "kiosk mode" as Rajko says. Just don't expect a general purpose screen from the selection available to do everything. That's why there are other options. The whole point of the things you seem to be fighting against here are there for the reasons you've chosen not to want to use them. Now that's a perfectly valid use case, as you go on to describe, but its like complaining your Miata sports car doesn't have the ability to car around the wife and kids and camping gear and supplies for the annual vacation http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085995/ Or worse, not we have minivans!
Here there are many installations. Similarity and repeatability among them are desirable characteristics
ROTFLMAO! Most of what MS-Windows is about gives trivial customization: colour, fonts, placement etc. Linux GUIs have followed. Lock-down is about ... well "Kiosk mode". Yes, productive factory worker-droids shouldn't be allowed to waster time fiddling with the GUI settings, so this was 'obviously' a conspiracy on the part of the Communist Nations to cut down the productivity of the West. And yes there are web sites about this. Go google to see who has further wasted time drawing then up ...
There is no "just" DND here. I didn't like DND decades ago when it was a new thing, and I don't like it now.
See Rajko's comment on cognition of the new ..
It's poorly repeatable,
Except by people that aren't antagonistic to it, just like, for example, systemd and KDE4.
Automagic is usually fine for typical uses. My uses aren't typical, and automagic is as likely to get in my way as be useful.
There are other types of display under KDE4 and there are other DMs If as you say the application set is small and fixed then why do you need something as comprehensive and powerful as KDE4? But if you want a restricted setting the why not use kiosktool http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Kiosk/Introduction That given, I can think of other DMs more suited to the strap-down configuration. Really, here, we're doing two things. 1. Solving a problem that isn't so much part of Felix's "use case" (which seems to be a strap-down/kiosk situation) as "the deckchairs n the Titanic" of how to arrange icons on a panel. 2. Having to deal with Felix's own prejudices about things like DnD. I think we, and Felix, need to step back a moment and go into "Consultant mode" rather then "Techie mode" and stop trying to drill down on this technical problem and re-read Felix's description of what he's trying to DELIVER to his users (stripped of all the stuff about 14" viewing etc). The fact that so many of us can do what Felix says he can't tells me that either (a) its not a technical problem or (b) Felix has his system so wildly configured that nothing can work! I think that because he's shown me a stripped down "new" account/screen snapshots that (b) is not the case. So lets not keep hammering at him as if he can't follow our instructions. We know Felix is VERY technically experienced and competent. So lets step back and ask what the real issue, what the 'deliverable' here is, 'cos it sure ain't simply the placement of an icon on a panel; that's just his immediate hurdle. -- "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, the robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org