You forgot about REXX and it's siblings: I used it for 19 years - in a professional capacity on the mainframe and midrange. And still using it on Linux (and - was - on windows) Two of the most complicated programs I wrote were: - At a direct marketing mail job, the program was written to query - all - of the necessary parms to build flyers, newsletters, etc and create - all - of the parm cards for the JCL to run the job for printing (margins, filler text, headers, footers, etc) - With about 90% accuracy, read in the 370 object code - and - recreate the 370 Assembler source. (We had a project to take an IBM supplied online CICS program and make it into a batch program that the programmers could run any time without CICS being up.) P.S. I have - everything - I wrote on a CD Duaine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org