On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Bob Williams wrote:
I would recommend reading this <http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm>
Good link, thanks, it describes the differentiation. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Try reading "In the beginning was the command line", or better still the annotated version at http://garote.bdmonkeys.net/commandline/index.html
Yeah tried, good.
Tell that to the small-business IT guy who plugs the network cable into the back of his freshly installed Windows XP box, only to have it infected with a virus in less than 20 seconds. Or the publishing house that spent ten thousand dollars upgrading Word, only to discover that their documents now looked like garbage to every editor and author they worked with. "Poorly considered and self-defeating" could just as easily describe the actions of a Microsoft customer.
Yes, and the GUI changes with each release of Windows. With Linux you lean the principles and patterns can can apply them not only across releases from one vendor, but across vendors, across desktop managers and even to non-Linux systems such as AIX, Solaris and HP/UX. And if you find an antique like SCO UNIX you won't be baffled! So changing GUI, be it from KDE to XFCE to E17 isn't going to stop you. You may _prefer_ one or the other, but that a matter of YOUR choice, just like the colour and style and position of your living room couch or the music you listen to or what you have for dinner is a choice. Microsoft may give the impression of a choice because you can change the colour of your windows background, but that's not really choosing something fundamental.
Long, but good explanation. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
You seem to be forgetting that the people who answer questions on mailing lists and in forums volunteer their time.
You are taking it wrong ways, since I am not forgetting.
Take a few minutes and read the excellent tutorial written by Eric Raymond entitled "How to ask questions the smart way", located at
Sure.
You will go much further if you do your homework ahead of time. We're not here to read the manual to you, nor are we here to use Google for you.
BTW, another place where you will find many beginners using openSUSE is the openSUSE forums at http://forums.opensuse.org. The same caveats apply there, though - don't expect the volunteers to do your homework for you. If something can be found in the documentation or by searching the existing messages (or in the forums, the 'stickies' at the top of some of the forums), you'll receive a somewhat similar reaction to what you received on the mailing list.
Yeah Jim, thaks for the suggestion. But I really at this stage need assistance. I guess, as a newbie, I would have to switch to a different distro, no matter how excellent is openSUSE but for me, support matters a lot. Yes, I saw in Fedora, for which even a small mail, people get many responses and they do let you know from each step - I guess a better thing for me. However, on one side, I know openSUSE is more smooth and the best, but I am D-O-N-E, as if now, would have to switch to some different distro, and by the time, I learn Linux, would switch back to openSUSE. Thanks for your help. Yes, I do need something to be explained from much basic level, I cannot go google and learn all the technical stuff - consider it my con or pro whatever. Perhaps, I am in other job, that's why. I wonder why on website is has been declared as the easiest distro for even non-technical community! Yeah, it is excellent (100%) but not easy for non-technical people. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Then, we have the time to write a long answer, when that answer is already written where you can find it somewhere else? And when we have already pointed you at documents for you to read?
Absolutely not, but I don't understand why you people are again and again saying the same thing, while already I told yes, I would do google, again you write this, does second writing server any special purpose?
You are askin us to spend up our time writting again what it is already written.
We are also busy people, and not paid.
I know you are busy, that's already said.
The list is for asking precise questions, like when you read a document and do not understand it and ask for clarification. Or when you are configuring something, it doesn't work, and you ask us if we can see the fault that you do not see.
Concrete, precise questions. Do not ask us to write the book.
Sure but I am D-O-N-E (as if now). On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Hire a consultant...
Not right now. On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Sam Vagni wrote:
Start from http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encryption
Thanks for link.
I also (like you) don't get time, I am at all busy, but I am using opensuse (the same you are using, perhaps 11.4 as you say somewhere earlier). I just use it: for the work I have to do, I don't get time, so right now NOT learning it. But at the same time, I am NOT asking questions. So the most important thing is that you have to read first. I understand that you are a newbie, so I am, but remember that opensuse is the most nicest distro I have ever seen, in fact, it has been developed by brilliant developers and everybody here is willing to help provided you read the docs, the basics which are as easy as you do other work. Tyro, I am also beginner like you and I am also in other job, so I don't get time, does that mean that people would prepare the notes for you?
I have used Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu and many other distros for my personal work. But opensuse, is the best amongst them, it is my experience. You don't (in fact, never) get any conflicts (at least, I have not got) in virtually any area. Simple, GUI installation, online documentation, everything.
Tyro, don't take it otherwise and conclude that if you don't have the time, simply use opensuse without learning, it would give all the things you need. If you have time or you can manage (as you say), try to learn the basic concept first.
See, you wrote for encryption, did you find the page:
http://tr.opensuse.org/SDB:Setting_a_Password_for_the_Boot_Manager_GRUB
which I found at google! I googled it just for you! But I never did that password encryption, since I didn't get time, but if I were doing that, I could have searched in google like I did for you. It took around 20-30 secs and the result is this page.
So it is the time for you to have fund, forget about all the previous mistakes, start from fresh mind and learn learn learn, read the docs, read the docs, use google, use google, use google!
Well, you are true but I need that type of assistance which is quite I have seen in Fedora and / or Ubuntu where people do let you know from the very first step. While openSUSE can be very good in all aspects but for support I would rank Fedora and Ubuntu ahead of openSUSE. Thanks for your suggestions. But I am D-O-N-E.
All the best.
Greetings,
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