Listmates, There is no question about it, there is something new in kde44 that breaks Gnome. Gnome will still start, but the appearance and themes are broken, and many of the systray apps are broken. For example, the volume control in gnome is completely broken, the error for the volume crash offers to "Reload" the volume for you, but when you click "Reload" the volume control immediately crashes again. (sound works, you just can't change the volume) Opposite to what is broken in gnome, all the gtk setting work fine in kde44. You gnome appearance setting like theme, colors, font size, font, etc. all are properly displayed with gimp, firefox, etc. run in kde, but all are completely broken in Gnome??? Go figure. I don't know how this could be happening. Gnome settings are supposed to work in gnome -- you could expect problems in kde -- but not the opposite. The symptoms and broken apps in gnome are: - volume control crashes - gnome settings daemon crashes - all theme elements (font-size, colors, background, etc..) That is one helluva deal when you can't even change the background) - compiz - blackscreens. You can spin the cube, but the cube faces are black (probably related to not being able to set the background) I need help figuring out what in kde44 is causing this problems. I know the gnome settings daemon crash is related to a lot of it, but why should that kill volume control? What is it that is new with kde44 that would be killing the gnome setting daemon in 11.0? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org