Howdy, For some weird reason I cannot stop any services such as mysql or http with /etc/rc.d/init.d/<servicename> stop. If I do it's says "done" but then if you do ps -ef |grep <servicename> it's still running. When I first found it we had a really custom install and I thought maybe I'd messed something up. I just finished reinstalling from scratch, and we have the same problem! One thing that might be causing the problem: our perl coder had to have perl 5.6. Is there eny chance that those init scripts use perl, and the new version is messing it up? I have never had trouble with init scripts before. If perl isn't used can anyone think of any other reason they aren't working? Note that I am doing this as root, so perms shouldn't be a problem. Any help here would be greatly appreciated! ---------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com