Xen wrote:
People are not talking about the server world and about Android. And all you have to say about the desktop is "and we have multiple desktop environments to choose from". That is not the hallmark of success. That is the hallmark of poverty, because the only thing you can attest to is a bit of choice, but not any form of quality. If there were, you would have mentioned it.
That I've been able to use Linux+KDE for running my business for ten years or more is somewhat of a testament to the quality, I think. I do think quality has suffered with recent KDE releases, but KDE3 is great.
"Today you have little reason for staying with Windows if you don't want or have to."
That's what you think. That's not what the world agrees on.
Actually, that is what I know for a fact. But as I also added - "There are exceptions, but they are few and far between. (I'm ignoring games).". To any ordinary home or office user, the Linux desktop and the plethora of applications is more than plenty. Sure, some proprietary applications are not available for Linux (Acrobat Reader, iTunes come to mind), if those are critical to you, you obviously can't choose Linux.
It is not what I think. The only reason I came to Linux today is because of Calligra.
Yes at this moment I have Kubuntu 16.04 installed here as the only OS.
Things I have lost: - pretty environment - ability to play some games - usually no worries about permissions with whatever I do in my own system - superior ability to encrypt using TrueCrypt - overall comfort in being able to do whatever I want - some favourite tools (Irfanview) - problem free existence with regards to the common operation of the OS
Let me try to think of what I "lost" when I switched to a Linux-only environment, back in 2005 or 2006 - - the Windows environment - BSOD - my favourite email client - games - daily frustration - Microsoft Office (which caused much of the above) I no longer play that many games, but on Linux it's things like Transport Tycoon on Master of Magic (the latter in dosemu). Occasionally Kpatience when I'm waiting for a database to load.
Things I have gained: - Calligra - more useful for me to use Steam OS (environment) - ..... - not sure what else, there are no other advantages for me presently.
TBH, it's been a long time since I've wondered about the advantages, it's a non-topic for me. Like I said earlier, I don't think there's much point in comparing.
Things I have also gained: - a lot of headaches - I have cried because of this system
Reminds me of my Windows days.
- Dolphin kept crashing when I opened its settings, and when it did open, the settings I needed were no longer there, but are now KDE wide apparently -- or at least located there, which I had to find out by way of IRC - it is easier to use IRC on Linux - it took me at least 20 minutes to get my sound working - the operating system doesn't play any sounds when you log in or exit, which is disconcerting to me and makes me feel alienated and isolated - I have spent at least a day setting this system up and it will take much longer - Linux in general requires much more investment in getting the system you want. Investing seems to be what you do on Linux.
Well, that is one major advantage of Linux over Windows - with Linux you _can_ have "the system you want". With Windows and MacOS, you get "the system we want you to have".
- The only reason samba (eventually) works better on Linux is because of a bug in Windows. (and I kinda like the places in Dolphin). [[ It is now possible in my KDE to "add a network folder" but it doesn't seem to add it anywhere persistent. I do not see it in my mounts. It is not possible to user-mount something in a user-tree, like you can (ostensibly) do in Windows without it asking for administrative rights ]].
But after you've set it up in fstab ---- not something you can expect an ordinary user to do ---- it is very pleasant and always available.
A truly ordinary user, my mum for instance, will need an admin person to help with doing unordinary things in Windows and Linux both.
- I am not doing anything meaningful yet in this system except bitch with people on mailinglists about Linux. Whenever I use Linux, 50% of my time seems to go into using Linux or talking about Linux. Whenver I am using Windows, 5% of my time goes into using Windows or talking about Windows.
I do all of my officework (every day, 8 to 18) on Linux. My typical tools are: Firefox, Tbird, knode, gimp, libreoffice, console, okular, vi, man, kaffeine, ssh, Dolphin/Konqueror, skanlite. My livingroom TV client runs Linux, even the TV set runs Linux. My satellite receiver system runs Linux, the office telephone system runs Linux. My outdoor Xmas decorations are controlled by a Linux system. And these 30 minutes right now is probably the most time I've spent talking/writing about it in a very long time.
Linux is a great waste of time for me if it doesn't amount to anything tangible.
Okay. Sounds like you ought to just give it up? When you don't have a need.
Windows is bliss except for the current day problems.
Okay - it's your choice you know. Well, I am certainly not trying to talk you into switching to Linux.
So it is not about Windows vs. Linux for me.
Hmm, you might want to re-read what you've written here, to me it sounds like it is _exactly_ about that for you.
If it is not about programming (or system design) to ME there is little benefit to Linux for the average user.
But we're not comparing. Just make a choice.
In general I believe any university will still have Windows boxes on most of its systems if it can afford it. There is just no /REASON/ to go with Linux other than perhaps the cost.
For an every day user it HAS no benefits.
We're not comparing. Just choose.
Like, what is it doing better than Windows? What is it doing better than MacOS?
We're not comparing. Just choose.
And you can say that's not true but regular folk just don't become interested out of their own appraisal just like that.
I agree. Just like they don't become "interested" in Windows or Mac either. They generally have a need to satisfy, that's all. Then they'll go to Mediamarkt and buy themselves a computer.
Why are you trying to disrupt what he does, or rather, why are you trying to place doubt in it, why are you questioning his motives, why are you assuming bad motives here? I'm doing neither, I just think measuring Linux against Windows belongs in the past.
And this is then reason to obstruct what he is trying to do by not helping but instead raising questions and criticism as to what he is doing.
That's like saying "Hey, can I get a burger?" and then someone that sells the burgers says "Why do you even want a burger? I don't get it. Get something else."
To stick to your terminology - I don't sell burgers, I just eat them. If you want a burger or discuss the ingredients, go to McDonalds :-)
If I am to use Linux, I will take everything I can from other sources to enhance it. If I am to use Windows, I will take everything I can from other sources to enhance it. If I am to use OS X, I will take everything I can from other sources to enhance it.
It seems to me that you only have a real chance with item#1 on that list.
So I don't even agree that it would be off-topic. General Linux discussions in that sense are not off-topic here. Right? Agree?
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