All, In my move from 11.4 to 13.1 on my Toshiba laptop, my first impression of 13.1 is that it is a good first step towards systemd implementation for openSuSE. It took a number of hours and the cumulative brain-trust of the opensuse list to iron out, but 13.1 is working great and Ilya has done a fantastic job preparing kde3 for 13.1. The boot time for 13.1 is great, 17 seconds to the desktop. I've put a detailed plot of the boot process for the laptop up at for those interested: [450k] http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/ss/suse/alchemy_13.1-bootplot.jpg This bootplot was created with systemd-analyze which provides some pretty spectacular features: # systemd-analyze plot > cnf/alchemy/bootplot.svg The 13.1 install was not bad considering the steps taken in the move to systemd. This install was done with the net-install CD with initial desktop as LXDE, traditional root account, no auto-login, and auto-configure turned off. The installer worked fine, the only glitch was the installer failing to fill the printer select dialog during printer configuration -- until the hplip package was installed. The only shortcoming of the installer is that it only allows addition of the update/non-oss repositories instead of allowing any repository to be added. I would like to see it allow addition of any repository at install time. In my case that led to choosing LXDE as an temp install desktop before adding the KDE3 repository and installing the final desktop. The need to use a temporary desktop led to the system being configured to start many unwanted/unneeded processes. Specifically the install filled the /etc/xdg/autostart directory with: at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop gmixer-trayicon.desktop gnome-keyring-gpg.desktop gnome-keyring-pkcs11.desktop gnome-keyring-secrets.desktop gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop gnome-settings-daemon.desktop gsynaptics-init.desktop hplip-systray.desktop nautilus-autostart.desktop nm-applet.desktop parcellite-startup.desktop polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop print-applet.desktop tracker-miner-fs.desktop tracker-store.desktop user-dirs-update-gtk.desktop xfce4-power-manager.desktop Of those, the only one needed (useful) in kde is gnome-settings-daemon.desktop to coordinate kde/gtk themes. I suspect those claiming no reduction in boot-time under 13.1 probably have a number of unneeded processes being started in this manner. Simply moving all the unneeded .desktop files out of autostart dramatically reduced startup time (and eliminated a mouse y-axis conflict caused by gsynaptics-init). The remaining issues with the 13.1 install surrounded having to turn off a lot of unnecessary 'optional' stuff that is now the 'default'. This included the annoying bash_command_not_found, the /etc/profile.d coloration of grep, etc. Those are relatively simple, but take a lot of wasted time to track down and turn off. My only comment would be that users should turn 'options' on if wanted, not have to turn 'options' off that are unwanted. The biggest time waste was not opensuse related, but came from the forced update to firefox 30 and it's changed interface that caused (and continues to cause) untold problems with toolbar layout, plugins, etc... Yet another example of a gee-whiz new interface that doesn't work with prior plugins, does little or nothing to improve actual browsing or page rendering, but takes a hell of a lot of time to sort out. There was only one bug report filed regarding 13.1 itself. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=887629 For some reason the screen backlight control is broken for this laptop. It has worked in every OS and openSuSE version since 11.0, but for some reason just doesn't in 13.1. Again, small potatoes, it will get fixed. On balance, the 13.1 install was no more difficult than any prior openSuSE install. The resulting system boots fast and so far has been rock stable. All 11.4 kde settings/data transfered to 13.1 just fine (I did blow up kicker, but that was easily fixed). Except for the firefox toolbar issue, all firefox and thunderbird data transfered fine and is working as expected. On balance cudos to the development team. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org