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On 10/29/2014 03:58 AM, John M Andersen wrote:
On 10/28/2014 7:17 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On October 28, 2014 8:25:07 PM EDT, Neil Rickert
wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:51:40 -0700 John Andersen
wrote: So now the big question: When it all goes live next month.....
Regular 13.2 -or- Tumbleweed(new)? Go with 13.2.
Which gives me the best chance of not fighting broken stuff and being reasonably current for the longest time? In that case, go with 13.1, and follow it onto Evergreen support.
Also If you have an opinion: Why would anyone install 13.2 and face an upgrade every X months, when they could just as well run the new Tumbleweed? With a an officially supported rolling release (finally) what is the point of the numbered releases going forward? I'll be installing 13.2. Tumbleweed will probably be fine, and I'll also use that on one computer. But I expect Tumbleweed to break every now and then. It won't be a totally hopeless break (I hope) because of the OpenQA testing. But they don't test everything. They rely on ordinary users to find what is broken in most everyday software.
So I want to have a solid 13.2 around. If traveling with laptop, I don't want to take the risk of Tumbleweed. Something might break at an inconvenient time. And for my main desktop, I also like some stability. Maybe I'll switch that to Tumbleweed as we approach the 13.3 release, but I'll stay with stable for a while. For the lurkers, next week's Tumbleweed is very different from today's so read the news if you don't know what that's about.
==== Basically agreeing with everything Neil said.
Also expect routine Tumbleweed "zypper dup" updates to be large, so don't jump on tumbleweed if you don't have a big pipe and/or can't handle a little adventure in your life.
The new Tumbleweed will likely have 10,000 or more users, so it should be pretty stable, but not as stable as a numbered release.
I'm planning to stick with 13.2 on laptop. My server may not transition out of 13.1 until the end of Evergreen support.
Greg
Thanks for weighing in...
I was aware that Tumbleweed(new) was going to be very new, and all the write-ups seemed to suggest it was promised to be much more stable and bug free than prior editions, since it is no longer just a spare time project of Greg K-H's. https://news.opensuse.org/2014/10/24/tumbleweed-factory-rolling-releases-to-...
That page, and a number of discussions suggested this would much cleaner. I Guess if you don't trust that, its word to the wise, which is exactly what I was looking for.
I was hoping a rolling release would keep me from having to do this every 18 months. (Win7 machine: 5 years since installed).
I was planning a totally fresh install, (coming from 12.3 to 13.2 on an in-place update seems a bit hopeful to me), as I need to re-partition my disk anyway).
I have a laptop with win7, swap and 2 ext4 partitions. The ext4 partitions have os 12.3 and os 13.1 fresh installs. The 12.3 is my "production" system, fully updated and running very nicely. The 13.1 is the system I have been "playing" with and getting to fully configured state. I usually have two systems like this and move my data to the higher number near the end of life of the older release. The partition that has the older, obsolete system then gets a fresh install of the latest release and I play with that until I move to it or I do a fresh install of the latest release. I am now going to change that strategy that I've used for some years. My plan is to zypper dup the 12.3 to move it to 13.1. When I am satisfied that all is running well (I've already successfully done it on an out of service laptop), then I will do a zypper dup again to move it to 13.2. If that succeeds and I am happy with the result, then I will run that system until 13.3 comes out and zypper dup again. If the progressive upgrade (12.3 to 13.1 to 13.2 to 13.3) totally breaks at any time, I will move my data to the 13.1 system on the other partition (which I plan to convert to "evergreen". I have always done fresh installs up till now, but I think that the upgrade process has matured enough to give me a good option. Having 13.1 evergreen is a a great stand by. I played with 11.2 and 11.4 evergreens and I liked both, so I think it is a very viable option for a long running system. It would be great to be able to run a rolling release like tumbleweed, but I am just not knowledgeable enough to tackle that. Gustav.
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