On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:52:45 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Tuesday 23 of February 2010, Rodney Baker wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:55:00 Charles Obler wrote:
----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 9:41:14 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] 11.2 a big step backwards?
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The KDE team may realize how much stuff they removed was actually used at some point.
They didn't *remove* anything. When you start with a completely blank canvas there is nothing to remove, only to add. If anything is missing it is because it hasn't been coded and tested yet! KDE4 <> KDE3. As I understand it there is basically nothing common between the two except the name and the developers.
And you understand it wrong. And I've already explained that once, in this very thread.
Really, what is the purpose of this thread when even people who actively make it go on and on do not read it anyway? If all you want is just to talk and talk and not listen, talking to a wall should do as well, without wasting time and annoying the rest of people on this list.
That is the sort of attitude that gets others off-side, Lubos. In case you misunderstood my point, I was *defending* KDE4 and the developers. It seems that was lost on you. If I wasn't clear enough and you misunderstood, please accept my apologies.
OK, I've vented my frustration and I feel better now :-). Time to move on.
How thoughtful and nice of you. You now feel better and many people on this list feel worse because they had to get over nonsense thread. Let's just everybody do this. Oh wait, that's what already happens.
My frustration is with those who whinge and complain without constructively contributing to the project, not with those who actively contribute by testing, submitting bug reports, providing useful feedback etc. and generally try to assist in ensuring that KDE4 achieves its potential. I could name several on this list who are in the latter category, but I'm sure I don't need to...
For the next time, a better place to vent your frustration is for example working in your garden, doing a sport or seeing a psychoanalyst. This place is a user mailing list and it's no wonder it's such a horrible dump when so many people here fail to realize what it is and it is not for.
And comments like this from developers to those who seek to defend them against (IMHO unjustified) criticism doesn't help build good-will between developers and users either. FWIW, I think the KDE devs are doing a great job with KDE4. I've been using it since it was first included in openSUSE as 4.0.4 (at that stage alongside 3.5) and exclusively since 4.3.1 (or maybe even before that, I can't remember exactly when I stopped using 3.5). I might not use every feature in 4.4 and there are some I can definitely do without (like strigi/nepomuk and other such desktop indexing and searching utilities) but I can see the value in them for others so you won't find me complaining about them. Disabling them is easy if they're not needed. Having recently had need to use MacOSX for a few hours (because it was the only thing available) I'd say 4.4 compares pretty favourably with that; in fact, if I hadn't used 4.3 and 4.4 prior to jumping onto the Mac, it would have taken me a lot longer to get done what I needed to get done on it because it is so radically different than KDE 3.5 or Windoze. Keep up the good work (and try to be nice to those who are sticking up for you, even if you don't think you need it). -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org