Yesterday after installing some patches via Zen, my KDE panel disappeared. I've had this occur before after a KDE patch was installed, and normally I restart the window and display managers (ctrl-alt-backspace, init 3, or logout) and things usually com back. This did not work, so I deleted by ~/.kde. Once I logged back in through the session manager, the panel returned, and I configured it the way I wanted, set up my 4 desktops with separate backgrounds, and loaded my applications that I normally keep running in my desktops. While I'm not 100% sure of what is killing the panel, I was just wondering if anyone else had seen this. I don't have time to debug it until the weekend, but I will try to configure the desktops and panels, but not run the applications, then go step by step. By default, kde tries to load what was previously loaded, but the first step would be to set up an empty home session. My desktops are: 1: claws && firefox 2: jpilot 3: empty - normally Xemacs 4: 2 KSSH sessions to the Boston Linux servers. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9