----- Original Message ----- From: "Anton Aylward" <anton.aylward@rogers.com> To: "Open SuSE mail list" <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [opensuse] How to monitor Linux systems from a focal/central point (was: ranting and raving about removing the MTA).
Per Jessen said the following on 10/25/2008 04:21 PM:
HOW did you do it?
sSMTP actually, but it was overkill as it only talked to my mailhub. As I said, 'netcat' would have done the job, or a small shell script.
sSMTP 'cos I was keeping mu options open. I had this idea that perhaps I would have a profile for the laptop at home on the home LAN and it forwards to my mailhub, and another profile for when I'm away and it forwards to an ISP and my mailhub fetches that via 'fetchmail'. Anyway, lightweight stuff. The real heavy Postfix set-up is on the mailhub. Keep it DRY.
The point, as Ruben Safir originally made, is that some of the stuff that dependencies drag in is overfill for a single machine, a laptop, a home computer, especially one that is primary concerned with browsing.
----------------------------- Rather, to me this all just sounds like you (collectively, or the OP) simply want some other distribution whos stated goal is to be tiny, or no distribution at all just put exactly what you want on your hardware. opensuse is perfectly functional for it's target, which is contemporary machines from laptops to servers. Contemporary as in todays opensuse on todays laptops. I still say it's absolutely retarded to complain that you can't install or run the latest _anything_ that aims to be full featured and generic (such as opensuse or windows for that matter) on 10 or more year old hardware. If you have hardware that falls outside the mainstream, then of course you need special software for it. The fault is not opensuse for being obscenely fat. It's not really. (sure it is in comparison to 10 or 15 year old systems) The fault is even thinking about running something large like a typical modern general purpose linux distribution on tiny hardware. If you can't stand a couple of libraries and a binary that you don't intend to use, then build your own distro or use one of the distros that specializes in extreme customization and optimization. This is like me complaining that my truck is poorly designed because it doesn't fit everywhere my tiny little Miata does, nor get it's gas mileage, nor accellerate or corner nearly as well. Well duh?? Opensuse is a _general purpose_ distro. It pretty much has to include such things as ldap libraries because numerous applications might be called upon at any time to talk to and ldap server. If you don't want a large general purpose distribution, then don't install a large general purpose distribution. I don't know that tomorrow I won't suddenly have a need for ldap, and so I'm perfectly happy that my system is ready to do it even though I never used it so far. It's a common enough thing that support should be in there. I use imagemagic for some document scanning/faxing/printing/pdf stuff in my application, but I only ever use png, tiff3g, and pcl graphics formats. Damn opensuse for including all that unnecessary jpeg and bmp support in all those graphics tools! -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org