* Carl (quantum@ultra2k.com) [020604 13:44]: :: ::Make sure your path is in /etc/X11/XF86Config . ::I always put the fonts in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Carl . ::Assuming there's a fonts.dir, restart X and now it has them. :: ::Just gotta tell K about them. I've noticed that that ::KControl|System|FontInstaller has them all in right pane, but K is not ::getting them. Is this what you're talking about? :: ::Where would something like this be logged? Well, the truetype directory is there. I deleted the fonts* config files out of the truetype directory and they are still not working. I tried that font installer. It said if I did it as myself..only that account would have access to them. So I logged into KDE3 as root and ran it. It sees them all and can preview them but when it tries to write any kind of config file..KControl craps out and dies. :( I think this is something that was broken in one of the last sets of KDE3 upgrades. :/ Oh well..screw it. In another month I'm going to wipe this box after I back up to CDR..just didn't have time to do it with work. Thanks for the suggestion. *grumble* -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. -GC --=====-----=====--