One button appeared on her Kubuntu the day after 4.3.3 was released, which updated the whole thing automatically. One button.
Yup, and it works too... never had a fail on my (K)Ubuntu test machines - at least not related to updates like this.
Especially see Goal #1 Make openSUSE the EASIEST Linux distribution for ANYONE to obtain and the most WIDELY used open source platform.
You might try installing Kubuntu some time. That one button attached the proper repositories, disabled old or unsuported repositories, and it just worked. PERFECTLY.
If you are going to insist that your users know how to attache the proper repositories, you probably don't want to publish a page with 40 of them listed, and which is out of date, and which has descriptions so vague its impossible to tell one from another without surfing the detailed pacakge lists.
As for sticking to whats on the DVD, that's a non-starter.
There is a disconnect between what key people in the openSUSE development group think/want and what the generic desktop user wants. There is some valid arguments with "leaving it alone" and sticking ONLY to what's on the DVD. Sadly, this totally misses out on the perceived needs of the user community. Finding a balance between the two isn't easy. Ubuntu has a reputation for being "easy" and it's these things like the whiz bang upgrades that give it the rep. openSUSE has a rep too, but it's not about being easy - openSUSE is known to be reliable at the expense of easy to upgrade. There are efforts being made to get there with things like Wagon, but it's so far from being easy right now that I don't even tell users about it. Im hoping Wagon will become openSUSE's whiz bangh upgrade with 11.3 or 12.0... but that's a loooooong way off right now :-P One thing that really stands out with openSUSE development is that the key devs are so used to the tweaks and fiddling they do with openSUSE that they don't realize or (conveniently) forget that a new user is really not prepared to deal with (nor understand) these things. The result is, valid or not, openSUSE does NOT have the easy to use label. To be fair though, Ubuntu has a similar policy to openSUSE with repsect to supported apps on a release - take OpenOffice.org in Ubuntu for example. The average user running version X of Ubuntu will never get the newest builds of OOo from the Ubuntu repos unless they tinker with their repos - they have to, at the very least, manually add a repo that is a rough equivalent to an openSUSE community factory repo.... and adding a repo in Ubuntu is a major pain compared to the openSUSE 1-Click. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org