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Le 26/12/2015 21:03, Richard Brown a écrit :
On 26 December 2015 at 18:49, jdd
wrote: Le 26/12/2015 13:06, Richard Brown a écrit :
I do not believe that to be the case, and so I work hard to support the Project and make it easier for people to actually DO stuff.
can you elaborate how this last sentence is made true? What have been made to make it easier for people to actually Do stuff? Where is the stuff?
Examples I can think of in recent memory (Some of these were directly done by me, others were nothing to do with me but are examples of the Project doing things which follow the trend of opening things up so more people can contribute)
in your list, I see very few "make it easier"
Leap Actions Taken: Made it easier for SLE developers to contribute by using SLE code Result? Providing the Base System for Leap
*SLE developers* that is suse employees? this do not make it easier for them to contribute, this simply uses the previous / paid work in favor of openSUSE. do you mean it's you that convinced SUSE to share SLES? If so, thanks.
Leap Actions Taken: Made it easier for ANY contributor to select which packages are in Leap as documented in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:How_to_contribute_to_Leap
for you contributor==developper? I don't see any mean I (for example) could select any package. There could be a suggestion list, wish list... what existing package do you think Leap could benefit? on project or may be it was asked?
Result? More packages in Leap than in 13.2 - ntire structure of Leap was decided by the community - how much was SLE, how much was openSUSE was a function of this action.
really? "ntire structure of Leap was decided by the community" where for you begin the community and where does it end? looks like it's only factory readers...
Leap Actions Taken: Named and Numbered by the Community Result? openSUSE Leap was a name proposed by a totally new contributor who joined our project after reading about our naming discussions regarding the new distribution.
what did you do to acheive this? "how to name the baby" was not lauched by you (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-07/), you only wrote the result: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2015-07/msg00054.html
Website Actions Taken: Totally new website built in https://github.com/openSUSE/landing-page Result? More contributors working on the new landing page in 6 months than we had on the old one in a grand total of 10 years. Actual products of the Project better reflected. Increased press coverage
one page... that made the wiki nearly desapear. And was not the landing page blocked before?
Wiki: Actions Taken: Removing the restrictions on the majority of the wiki pages so anyone can contribute Result? Actually..not much of one..this was something lots of people asked for but now we've done it we haven't seen an expected uptick in wiki edits, sadly.
good. I didn't see this. Where is the wiki team? if so why hide the wiki in the main page? should be more publicized
Branding: Actions Taken: Publicly posted branding guidelines
this is many years old, come as far as 2007 (https://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=openSUSE:Artwork_brand&action=history) I never said you don't do work and useful work, but if I remember it's you that asked for more non developpers commitment (at OSC15) and it's the part I know the better, and there I see little. Wiki and translation are probably the two parts to work on more (apart development, of course). I myself proposed to help contacting members and was said "do not worry, a script is comming". I never have seen the script and was discouraged to make the work... sorry to be long, I will stop now, this is not to be a discussion between you and me alone jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org