Lars Müller wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:11:25PM +0000, G T Smith wrote: [ 8< ]
This are the first observations on the direction openSuSE seems to be taking that echoes a concern of mine. Although it vigorously denied there is increasing emphasis on the home user desktop and a benign neglect of other areas elsewhere, the end product seems to undermine that denial.
The change not to enable the openssh daemon with any new install doesn't say anything about the directions of the openSUSE project.
Well, I think we are a few community and project members that disagree with that, Lars.
For those of us using Linux for a long time this doesn't cause much of extra work. We're able to enable the service via YaST or might even use chkconfig -a ssh on the command line. From the networking setup summary it is one click at installation time.
Many of us who have been using Linux for a long time can put together a system from scratch with one hand tied on our backs - doesn't mean we want to.
And while all had been able to complain and to offend none had been able to write something at http://en.opensuse.org/Ssh
http://de.opensuse.org/SSH-Server (funny, it seems to need one or two updates).
Nobody is forced to anything. But as openSUSE, Fedora and Debian are Open Source projects they move on. This move includes the adoption of new concepts. The majority of the new stuff makes it much, much easier for new users.
Except this change, which does absolutely nothing for a new user, as we have found out.
It's your decision which route to follow. As it was dicussed and decided by the openSUSE community to disable the ssh service by default with a fresh install of openSUSE as quoted in an earlier mail.
Who decided it and how was it decided, Lars? I am a community member, and as you know I protested this change quite vocally more than 18 months ago. I don't remember many others advocating the change - I could certainly be wrong, but I really do not remember more than one or two responding positively to Marcus' proposal. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org